And perhaps John Scholfield from EH, with an eye to both
characterisation and military heritage?
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Sent: 09 December 2009 10:34
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Subject: Re: Bomb damage as a monument
In which case it's more analogous to a sort of characterisation exercise
rather than individual monument level. It's one thing to record
individual/groups of bomb craters seen on APs or V-weapon strikes (which
is what I recorded) but if one is dealing with whole devastated
cityscapes a bit more of a broad brush approach is perhaps needed. If I
remember correctly, in the mid-1990s the hard copy bomb damage maps that
I used as an archaeologist in Dresden had shaded colour coding to denote
the intensity of damage for instance. It might be interesting to ask
Chris Patrick at Coventry how they deal with this.
Regards Robin
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Sent: 09 December 2009 10:14
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Maybe you also need to think carefully about what you're recording in
terms of bombing:
You could, for instance, draw individual bomb craters as Andy (Hi, how
are the 2CVs?) and Robin appear to suggest. However, if I understand the
methods of wartime bombing correctly, most damage, in urban areas at
least, was done not by HE bombs alone, but by employing a combination of
HE and phosphorus bombs. This promoted fire-storms, the kind of thing
that was so effective in levelling much of the centres of Coventry,
Dresden and Tokyo.
Chris
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Might this type of thing work better as a separate layer? This would get
around the "blot" issue that Cain noted as you could turn it off at
will.
Kind regards
Robin Page
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Sent: 09 December 2009 09:44
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Subject: Re: Bomb damage as a monument
The issue strikes me as a bit similar to that of whether/how to record
historic fires (e.g. the Great Fire of London), including their extent.
There was an extensive discussion of that on the Forum some time back. I
can't remember what the overall conclusion or consensus (if there was
one) was, but maybe it would be worth looking at the archive?
Best wishes
Roger
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Sent: 09 December 2009 09:13
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Subject: Bomb damage as a monument
hi folks
I have received some information about an area of a town being bombed in
World War II.
Does anyone record this sort of information in their HER?
If so, how?
I remember a thread a while back about bomb craters, but as this bit of
town has been redeveloped there are no visible remains, just historic
accounts.
I can see various pros and cons to it .
Pro - it means a significant number of the buildings in the affected
area are likely to be post WWII in date (not always obvious from a
desk); likely to have affected archaeology survival, also potential for
UXB's (unexploded bombs)
Cons - If I start doing this there is a whole other HER project to do it
systematically (ok not really a con, but something to consider); how do
you define the area affected?
So any thoughts appreciated.
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
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