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Re: THES Leader and article on sceptics and climate change

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Brian Orr <[log in to unmask]>

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Brian Orr <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:45:38 +0000

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Scientists who eat, sleep and dream the evidence building up that  
climate change is real, is terrifying and man-made will, if they have  
any humanity, feel drawn to becoming 'eco-evangelists'.

This is because virtually all the scientific evidence and computer  
projections point with a high degree of probability that persisting in  
doing what we've been doing over the last few hundred years will bring  
about a calamitous future in but a few decades. The evidence strongly  
suggests that without a fundamental and very precarious transition,  
civilisation as we know it will collapse. So the temptation to say as  
much becomes nearly irresistible if one has any shred of fellow feeling.

But in saying as much a scientist will enter into a field where he has  
no authority to comment. It is the field of what is politically  
possible. It may be politically possible to achieve a massive turn  
around as has been achieved in the course of war. Or it may not be  
politically possible because where as war can be 'here and now', the  
'armies of destruction emanating from climate change' will not be  
entering our city gates for decades to come. And what citizen can be  
galvanised by the threat of an enemy 20, 30, 40 years hence.

So the scientists who declares that his studies say that without a  
profound change the enemy will be at our gates a few decades from now  
will be directly challenged, not because he is basicly wrong but  
because his warning cannot be acted upon and as such should best be  
silenced, for it merely makes the natives extremely restless - but to  
no good effect because an answer is not democratically deliverable.

But if there is to be any hope, the scientific evidence must continue  
to be built up because the greater the certainty behind the  
scientists' predictions the greater will be the conviction of all  
those who are privy to them. But as I argue above, the last thing the  
scientists should do is to enter the political domain where the  
question becomes "What should we do about this?".

The scientists can, in their projections, make assumptions about  
future levels of the release of GH gases and perhaps link them loosely  
to projections about economic activity. And they can conjecture about  
the levels of 'suffering' from flooding, droughts, famine and disease.  
But what they must not do is venture opinion on the balance of  
reducing this 'suffering' with the 'suffering' caused be constraining
economic activity.

This, in my view, must be left to a new breed of politician. A  
politician who is able to absorb the science with confidence and  
erudition and then address the complex world of politics and political  
persuasion from a sound base of up-to-date scientific facts and  
understanding.

This will allow the scientists to remain in their ivory tower pursuing  
the 'truth' or the 'facts', protected from the messy world of politics  
and journalists and 'special interests'.

Such a breed of politicians should be able to run rings around the  
likes of Nigel Lawson, who, regrettably, seems to be able to run rings  
round any scientifically competent academic not schooled in the dirty  
tricks of open public debate.

Brian Orr

On 15 Dec 2009, at 21:42, Jonathan Ward wrote:

> see leader at    http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=409510
>
> and Martin Cohen's piece at http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=409454&c=2
>
> I was not impressed by either article (I ended up going a little  
> comment happy on the Leader story).
>
> It's strange how the mood at the moment suggests that those  
> (normally non natural-science/climatologists) who oppose AGW are  
> heralded as decent, reasonable and rational. Trying to bring back  
> debate and save us from the eco-evangelists (their words not mine).  
> Radicals against the orthodoxy.
>
> How did it come to this?
>
> Where has real scientific debate gone?
>
> Why aren't even journals such as THES exploring why this of all  
> issues polarises us, and leads to such debased debate?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jon

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