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Retraction of 12 structures and experimental data deposition

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Felix Frolow <[log in to unmask]>

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Felix Frolow <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:05:00 +0200

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In mathematics, when one is making a claim of solving the longstanding mathematical problem, it is a tradition that  his colleagues mathematician will take care to check his solution. This solution MUST stood up to the scrutiny of the world's expert. As an example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wiles.  Two papers of  Wiles and Wiles&Taylor's were published in Annals of Mathematics( both Nature and Science do not publish mathematical papers probably due to the fact that mathematicians were outcasted by Alfred Noble due to the unknown reason) and were checked by international community.
It is pity, that when in MX society the similar claim/claims is/are made, we do not have an access to all information needed to put this claim to scrutiny as the policy of experimental data deposition is not very clear.
It would be convenient  to have/to give an access to the data (not necessarily raw) such as native and  derivatives hkl, I, sigI files, all with separated Friedel pairs and  log files in PDF format  of the scaling programs, preferably in graphical form such as Report of HKL2000.  This is needed for the community to check and for desired for educational purposes if one would like to reproduce the way of structure determination of a difficult problem.
I personally have now idea what will be discovered in some most famous cases, and probably as a result  young structural biologists will be reinforced in their believe that the structures could be derived from the most marginal phase information such as in the case of http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v426/n6967/full/nature02200.html

Dr  Felix Frolow
Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology
Department of Molecular Microbiology
and Biotechnology
Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel

Acta Crystallographica D, co-editor

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On Dec 12, 2009, at 24:27 , Ed Pozharski wrote:

> I would like to point out that this outright fabrication remains an
> isolated incident.  There are over 50,000 crystal structures in the PDB,
> which means that this is only ~0.02% of the total.  This is all quite
> bad, but let's not overstate the problem.
> 
> Maybe such report is not a great idea after all - don't you think it
> will help the next troublemaker to fabricate structures better? :)
> 
> I wonder if there are any structures from the author in question that
> were not fabricated.  After all, some serious mistakes were made in 2hr0
> (how can you not know about bulk solvent and B-factor variation?).
> There is 1BGX which was not on retraction list (I guess since it was
> "done" at Temple University, not UAB), but it looks weird too: the
> B-factors of main chain and side chain atoms are not much different from
> each other and this 2.3A-diffracting crystal has very few crystal
> contacts (it's the Taq DNA polymerase in complex with inhibitory Fab and
> the whole heavy chain makes no crystal contacts at all which is probably
> unique).
> 
> On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 15:30 -0500, Ibrahim Moustafa wrote:
>> You are absolutely right, more information describing to what extents these
>> structures were falsified will be valuable to the community. Actually, it
>> will be more useful if the investigators can publish their report as an
>> article in Acta D (as a case study for tracking falsified structures).
>> 
>>  I have a suggestion (actually a request) to the expertise in the field to
>> write a kind of review article about "sources of error in crystallography
>> and how to hunt these errors". It will be even better if it is written
>> considering the non-crystallographers (scientists who use the structural
>> information - like the co-authors on structural papers). This will help to
>> educate the non-crystallographers how to look at the structures critically.
>> 
>>  Ibrahim
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Edwin Pozharski, PhD, Assistant Professor
> University of Maryland, Baltimore
> ----------------------------------------------
> When the Way is forgotten duty and justice appear;
> Then knowledge and wisdom are born along with hypocrisy.
> When harmonious relationships dissolve then respect and devotion arise;
> When a nation falls to chaos then loyalty and patriotism are born.
> ------------------------------   / Lao Tse /

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