Thanks everyone.

It is a dilemma for the small organisation which provides support for people 
with learning difficulties who often have considerable physical impairments 
as well and have nowhere else to go within a 50 mile radius - and even 
there, there is inadequate blue badge parking.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jo-Anne Bichard" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible toilet with 500mm dimension reduced to 380mm


>A  number of suggested design templates can be found at the Accessible 
>Toilet Design Resource published by University College London
>
> It can be downloaded here
> http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/4847/
>
> If you have any trouble accessing this - do get back to me.
>
> Best
> Jo-Anne
>
> *************************************************
> Jo-Anne Bichard
> Research Fellow
> Royal College of Art Helen Hamlyn Centre
> Kensington Gore
> London SW7 2EU
>
> Tel: 020 7590 4216
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>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:33, Brian Towers wrote:
>
>> They are right - the Changing Places WC should be used where there  is 
>> corner
>> WCs with for independent use.
>>
>> Brian T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On  Behalf 
>> Of
>> Pam Thomas
>> Sent: 03 December 2009 08:03
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Accessible toilet with 500mm dimension reduced to 380mm
>>
>> I have also just heard of a small organisation fitting a "changing 
>> place"
>> toilet, and being told by building control that this does not meet
>> regulations because there is no hand basin within reach of the pan.  They
>> have been told they will have to fit another cubicle which meets the
>> regulations.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "npt Access" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Accessible toilet with 500mm dimension reduced to 380mm
>>
>>
>>> With reduced distance between wall and wc there is a problem that the
>>> Handbasin prevents a"headon" approach by male wheelchair users who  wish 
>>> to
>>
>>> use the wc as a Urinal.
>>> In the past, I have also received a complaint from a double amputee 
>>> when
>>> unable to line up straight on due to the fitting of a wide  handbasin. 
>>> This
>>
>>> prevenrted him having "head on" access which allows him to shunt 
>>> forward
>>> off his wheelchair to use the toilet facing the cistern.
>>>
>>> Picture from CAE  Loo guide.
>>>
>>> Cliff Croft
>>> Access Neath Port Talbot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vin wrote:
>>>> I would echo the points that Jane made - as a Carer every square  inch 
>>>> of
>>>> foot-space is essential in an accessible loo but the 1.5m x 2.2m 
>>>> standard
>>
>>>> loo is primarily for independent wheelchair users and the issue of
>>>> misplaced sanitary disposal bins has already been raised.
>>>> When specifying accessible loos I always stipulate a second drop- down
>>>> grab rail on the narrow side of the loo because the fixed  horizontal 
>>>> rail
>>
>>>> is too far for most people to reach in a side transfer. Also it  must 
>>>> be
>>>> remembered that the size of 1.5 x 2.2 is the absolute minimum and 
>>>> should
>>>> be measured _after_ all the box work etc. has been factored in. I'm
>>>> afraid I see this as poor planning in not burying necessary  pipework 
>>>> in
>>>> the walls and therefore an unacceptable compromise on a minimum
>>>> specification.
>>>> Vin
>>>> Vin West
>>>> Secretary, Arfon Access Group
>>>> Glyn Dwr
>>>> Llandwrog Uchaf
>>>> Caernarfon
>>>> LL54 7RA
>>>> Tel:  01286 880761
>>>> Mob: 0777 153 6760
>>>>
>>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>>    *From:* McConaghy, Martin <mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>>> >
>>>>    *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>>    <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>    *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2009 3:17 PM
>>>>    *Subject:* Re: Accessible toilet with 500mm dimension reduced to
>>>> 380mm
>>>>
>>>>    Hi Michael,
>>>>     Disappointing though it is, I see no functional issue with it.
>>>>     Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>    *From:* Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]  *On
>>>>    Behalf Of *Michael Zuliani
>>>>    *Sent:* 30 November 2009 15:01
>>>>    *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>    *Subject:* Accessible toilet with 500mm dimension reduced to  380mm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    <<Doc2.doc>> All,
>>>>      Photo of toilet situation as discussed previously.
>>>>    Michael Zuliani
>>>>    T
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> _____________________________________________________________________
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