Hi Alan, I think that is the challenge we face  and do not be discourage by
engagement or not of others. You hold a great space and truth that  brings
challenges to many and equally joy to more. Love and respect dear friend. Je
Kan


Dr Je Kan Adler-Collins Ph.D MA  PGCE REMT RN
Associate Professor of Nursing
Health Promotion Centre
Fukuoka Prefectural University
Ita 4395
Tagawa City
Fukuoka prefecture
Japan 
8258585


tel:(Direct)  +81 947 42 1367 
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In the pursuit of learning every day some thing is accuired.
In the pursuit of the Tao, every day some thing is dropped.
Lao Tsu.Tao Te Ching: 48
.


-----Original Message-----
From: Practitioner-Researcher
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Rayner
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The left right brain debate.

Dear Je Kan,

I'm trying to find ways in which words need not be a cage that confines
imagination, but a source of liberation that opens up imagination. I am
trying to loosen our attachment to definitive words in ways that can let our
language flow, not entrap. I am trying to help fluidize the boundaries of
words.

Ultimately I guess this is a problem of mental imagery, more than language,
and that as soon as I open my mouth to speak about words the attention is
inclined to focus on the words not on the mental imagery I am trying to
communicate about.

I'm just extremely aware of the capacity of language needlessly to trap in
the mental imagery of the stagnant pond of our own creation.

Time for me to fall silent. I can see that some have already disengaged.


Love

Alan






--On 20 November 2009 19:18 +0900 Dr Je Kan Adler-Collins
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Alan, Ah ha,,, huuuum, let me ask you this with great love to as my 
> dear friend. Much of what you say in embedded in the language you use.
> That of English and high English at that. As such you  are framing a 
> set of values , ideas , expectations, wants and needs in the cage of
words.
> Perhaps dear friend , letting the values you have outside their cage 
> of words to  flow creatively  and dynamically through the speech of 
> other languages that may not be able to articulate the concepts that 
> you are trying to share would remove much of your pain? Surely, your 
> ideas are more than words. Mindfulness includes the rights of others 
> to frame values through their understandings, it does not negate them 
> or judge them, rather just accepts that many people have different 
> ways of expressing the same meaning..smile. In a Buddhist sense could 
> it not be said that you are very attached to the attachment of your words?
I know.
> Buddhist are very attached to their theory of non attachment..smile. I 
> know from the reality of trying to explain to my Japanese  colleagues 
> that I am unable to translate the English flow of your words into 
> anything that has meaning to their context, I am just unable to 
> translate the essence correctly..smile. I believe that many understand 
> and are breathing in a limitless void across space and time. The flow 
> of Toa is centuries old in Asia as a concept yet it defies the cage of 
> words. The stagnant pool you refer to, could this not be of our own
creation?
>
> Love and respect as always
> Je Kan.
>
>
> Dr Je Kan Adler-Collins Ph.D MA  PGCE REMT RN Associate Professor of 
> Nursing Health Promotion Centre Fukuoka Prefectural University Ita 
> 4395 Tagawa City Fukuoka prefecture Japan
> 8258585
>
>
> tel:(Direct)  +81 947 42 1367
> fax: +81 947 42 6171
> http: www.living-action-research.org
> msn: [log in to unmask]
>
> In the pursuit of learning every day some thing is accuired.
> In the pursuit of the Tao, every day some thing is dropped.
> Lao Tsu.Tao Te Ching: 48
> .
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Practitioner-Researcher
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan 
> Rayner
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:45 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The left right brain debate.
>
> Just resending this because the clock on my work computer had 
> back-tracked.
>
> --On 21 July 2003 01:34 +0100 Alan Rayner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Dear Je Kan,
>>
>> "( just cannot use the language..smile)"
>>
>>
>> Please indulge me!
>>
>> What I am desperately pleading for (not demanding or imposing) is a 
>> form of language that doesn't impose definitive categories upon 
>> nature (including human nature), yet allows us to acknowledge 
>> distinctive dynamic localities in the flow. Every time someone uses the
'whole'
>> word (and its many derivatives), even and especially with the best of 
>> intentions, I feel a stab of pain in the heart of my soul. Such 
>> language is not to my mind mindful, but neglectful.
>>
>> I am pleading for a language of allusion (and a mathematics of 
>> allusion, for that matter, see poems below) that allows me and us to 
>> breathe in a limitless pool, not suffocate in a stagnant pond. I have 
>> given a lot of attention to what that kind of language could be like, 
>> and am continually working on it. I am not demanding that others use 
>> my language, but inviting them mindfully to reflect on the 
>> implications of theirs - and attune this where apt.
>>
>> And talking about 'survival', I note that the atomistic neglecters 
>> are about to start up their fiendish machine (the Large Hadron 
>> Collider) again, God help us.
>>
>>
>> Love
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> A Language of Allusion
>>
>>
>> We searched the sures of here and there And everywhere To find a 
>> language of allusion Which saves us from conclusion Before the high 
>> and mighty Who dooms us to occlusion Through unforgiving passion For 
>> what’s been done and done by All in the name of fashion
>>
>> A judgement freed from lenience
>> That saves the inconvenience
>> Of taking stock of silence
>> Amidst the ruthless measure
>> Yet in that absence misses
>> The flow between the kisses
>> Which turns what’s marked by crosses
>> From signs of wrong to right
>>
>> For when that fine illusion
>> Of wording’s fixed intrusion
>> Admits its lacked dimension
>> Of infinity in tension
>> The song sounding in its lyrics
>> Waxes into revelation
>> Of nakedness trembling with exhilaration Beneath the harsh lining of 
>> its clothes
>>
>> And in that shivering of hope and fear All pretension falls from flaw 
>> to floor No longer shrieking dreadful oaths Against the marriage that 
>> it loathes Between the sweet resistance of response And what is held 
>> in open arms That seek embrace in gentle warmth Not that ice-hot war 
>> of words that harms
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> The Devil In the Definition
>>
>> The Devil lives in the definition
>> That place to secure lofty ambition
>> In a Whole with no Ground
>> For looking around
>> At what’s gone missing
>> From mouths without kissing
>>
>> No opening space
>> For lives sunk without trace
>> In spirit strained free from compassion Where we’re told it’s in 
>> fashion The bliss of the blessed To dress with no hole For suffering 
>> soul To find love in its heart Whilst falling apart Transfixed in 
>> becoming distressed
>>
>> Where smile fixes to grin
>> Above jutting chin
>> On the face that speaks of the need
>> To stay wilfully positive
>> In the face of the weed
>> Whose cries suck you in
>> To a place indescribably negative
>>
>> Where doubt finds out
>> You’re not wearing a clout
>> Because in a dress with no hole
>> There’s no room for your soul
>> And that’s what’s gone missing
>> From mouths sealed from kissing
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Return From Calculus
>>
>> To differentiate is not to define!
>> They put the cart before the horse
>> So that the poor thing got stuck in a rut Those argumentative 
>> back-projectors Newton and Liebniz Whose deepest desire Was to come 
>> first Like Adam before Eve On the Eve of their Fall
>>
>> By cutting out space
>> From within the curve
>> Leaving the line shattered
>> Into helpless nonentities
>> Disguised as identities
>> By imposing minds
>>
>> So that to integrate
>> We need only to add
>> What they failed to subtract
>> In their infinite regression
>> From All down to nought
>> But not quite
>>
>> That informing presence
>> Adrift in our Time
>> Male without female
>> A self-negating false positive
>> With nowhere to hide
>> That takes us along
>> For its forgetful ride
>>
>> Until some One gives notice
>> He can no longer bear
>> His harsh isolation
>> From somewhere to care
>>
>> And rejoins his partner
>> In joyful communion
>> An affair of the heart
>> Where absence makes fonder
>> After millennia apart
>>
>> And in that reunion
>> We need hardly add
>> What should never have been put asunder By defining what’s bad
>>
>> A place that’s beneath us
>> As we soar to great heights
>> Before returning the home
>> Subtracted from substance
>> To make solid figures
>> Meaningless in the absence
>> Of what needs them to care
>> For the receptive silence
>> Of everywhere
>>
>> No, differentiation isn’t what’s wanted To look askance But it is 
>> what’s needed To configure variety In complex self-dance Of one 
>> within other Transfigured by chance
>>
>> Everywhere needs somewhere to love
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --On 20 November 2009 11:45 +0900 Dr Je Kan Adler-Collins 
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Karen, Thank you for your email which I enjoyed very much. I 
>>> usually lurk on this list as the language is often hard for me to 
>>> get my head round as I try to see how it can inform my practice. 
>>> However I do love the philosophical aspect of the discussions as 
>>> well. Working in Asia as I do, I try to imagine how I can make much 
>>> of what is said understandable outside of the lists context. I am 
>>> with Alan on much of his thinking ( just cannot use the 
>>> language..smile) as it links so deeply with Buddhist mindfulness. 
>>> You said : But then why are men more spatially aware than women, in 
>>> general, and better at certain tasks which involve detail and 
>>> dexterity. I have to question that as I have seen so many women 
>>> working in  terrible conditions in Asian countries as factory 
>>> workers assembling intricate computer parts, soldering and doing so many
tasks for western consumerism as the labor cost is cheap.
>>> I believe that there are biological difference in the sexes that are 
>>> just biology, take the physical constraints out of being a hunter 
>>> gather and give a women a mode of transport and a gun, they are 
>>> equally as efficient as a man. In terms of flying women have faster 
>>> reactions than men and some argue make better pilots..smile. Much of 
>>> our perceived difference are just down to social conditioning and 
>>> learned behavior. Smile , big hugs..
>>>
>>> AS for survival, we are not doing such a good job of it because our 
>>> present way of living is unsustainable to the environment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Je Kan Adler-Collins Ph.D MA  PGCE REMT RN
>>>
>>> Associate Professor of Nursing
>>>
>>> Health Promotion Centre
>>>
>>> Fukuoka Prefectural University
>>>
>>> Ita 4395
>>>
>>> Tagawa City
>>>
>>> Fukuoka prefecture
>>>
>>> Japan
>>>
>>> 8258585
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel:(Direct)  +81 947 42 1367
>>>
>>> fax: +81 947 42 6171
>>>
>>> http: www.living-action-research.org
>>>
>>> msn: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the pursuit of learning every day some thing is accuired.
>>>
>>> In the pursuit of the Tao, every day some thing is dropped.
>>>
>>> Lao Tsu.Tao Te Ching: 48
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Practitioner-Researcher
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen 
>>> Alexandra Mary Thompson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:33 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: The left right brain debate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Je Kan
>>>
>>> I understand that the left /right brain debate, when one applies 
>>> science and neuro investigations to it, loses its thread really. Its 
>>> much more spiritual than that and you are right about the Buddhist 
>>> theory of mindfulness. Perhaps there are other phrases we could use 
>>> - masculine/feminine ; inner/outer ; inclusional/occlusional?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But then why are men more spatially aware than women, in general, 
>>> and better at certain tasks which involve detail and dexterity  
>>> ...,as ever we raise more questions than answers. Perhaps education
didnt 'borrow'
>>> it from science but the reverse is true - think of European medieval 
>>> education in philosophy , maths, geometry, poetry...dare I say it - 
>>> alchemy!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have often imagined what it would be like to for one person to be 
>>> bale to speak every language, play every musical instrument known to 
>>> man, be able to do gymnastics, climb mountains, sail oceans and be 
>>> very fit, and also be capable of reading very fast, being able to 
>>> perform highly skilled surgical procedures, recite everything they 
>>> had ever read. But then would love compassion, empathy sympathy and 
>>> so on also be in that equation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In terms of sacred geometry, I can reduce it down to one simple 
>>> thing - survival!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Love Karen
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dr Je Kan Adler-Collins <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 4:43
>>> Subject: The left right brain debate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Geisha,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am somewhat  of a lurker on this list and only post when inspired 
>>> to do so. I have listened with  great interest to the debates. 
>>> Alan?s last posting is perhaps on the same wavelength as mine. The 
>>> left and right brain debate is very dated and  yet another form of
separation.
>>> Educational theory is often behind medical research and in the case 
>>> of left or right Brain theory they are light years behind. Talbot's 
>>> holographic universe is a good book to read and is in keeping with 
>>> the new FMRI research which indicates the brain is an object of 
>>> wholeness located in the local and non-local . Local as in the whole 
>>> brain fires up electrically in patterns of light, some parts of the 
>>> brain do have higher readings that others depending of their 
>>> function but this is not an indication of left or right brain logic 
>>> being applied to that of the control of the body eg, right 
>>> hemisphere controls the left  side of the body. Non local in that 
>>> the brains electrical activity is not separate to or from its 
>>> environment. Local wave patterns such as thinking seem to be placed 
>>> within the  domain of the mind for want of a better word..smile. 
>>> However, your thoughts, love and compassion can start a ripple 
>>> through time and space as it moves with all the energy of the 
>>> originator. So I guess that Buddhist theory of mindfulness suggests 
>>> that all our thoughts have energy and power beyond the local which 
>>> is one of the concepts of energy medicine, healing and prayer. I do 
>>> dislike entering debates on western and non western thinking but 
>>> respectfully suggest that right brain and left brain thinking is a 
>>> medical  model for science borrowed by education. The beauty of our 
>>> mind and brain in an energy sense is that it has no limitations 
>>> other than those we place on it. Anyway , I off back to sleep now.. 
>>> Hugs from Japan. Je Kan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Je Kan Adler-Collins Ph.D MA  PGCE REMT RN
>>>
>>> Associate Professor of Nursing
>>>
>>> Health Promotion Centre
>>>
>>> Fukuoka Prefectural University
>>>
>>> Ita 4395
>>>
>>> Tagawa City
>>>
>>> Fukuoka prefecture
>>>
>>> Japan
>>>
>>> 8258585
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel:(Direct)  +81 947 42 1367
>>>
>>> fax: +81 947 42 6171
>>>
>>> http: www.living-action-research.org
>>>
>>> msn: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the pursuit of learning every day some thing is accuired.
>>>
>>> In the pursuit of the Tao, every day some thing is dropped.
>>>
>>> Lao Tsu.Tao Te Ching: 48
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>