Brian
What did he change it to?
Stewart McGough
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Towers
Sent: 30 November 2009 13:18
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Subject: Re: Setting out of an accessible toilet.
The space will need to much bigger than 500mm to provide access for a helper.
It was sometime after 1990 that I had the discussion with Selwyn Goldsmith.
Looks as though he had changed his mind by then.
Brian T
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stewart McGough
Sent: 30 November 2009 12:29
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Subject: Re: Setting out of an accessible toilet.
Hi
Selwyn Goldsmith research for DOE in 1990 ( Sanitary provision for people with special needs) indicated that 32% of those canvassed indicated that they required help in a wheelchair toilet.
Of these 5% required the assistant to be in the position between the wc and the wall for transferring on and 9% for transferring off.
It would therefore appear reasonable to request the area be accessible to a helper.
Stewart McGough
Regional Manager - Access Consultancy
Aedas
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Zuliani
Sent: 30 November 2009 11:24
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Subject: Setting out of an accessible toilet.
All,
I work in local authority buiding control and also have responsibilities for access issues within my local authority. We have a new sports complex rapidly approaching completion. With respect to the accessible WC in the main reception area the contractor has boxed pipework at low level reducing the 500mm dimension from wall to centre line of pan to 380mm. Obviously my comments so far have reflected the guidance in the BS and other supporting documentation (i.e Goldsmith) insomuch as the space is intended for assisted transfer and any reduction would make that assistance provision very difficult, if not impossible.
The architects argument is that the 500mm dimension is specifically for the setting out of the grab rail and does not provide a space for assisted transfer as that space (i.e 500mm) is too small to assist in a safe fashion.
Any thoughts gratefully received.
Michael Zuliani Building Control Oxon
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