Hi All.
My problem with this situation is that the architect's interpretation is
based on their interpretation of the regs/guidance etc. and as this is a
new build, my take is "follow the drawings in the guidance/regs" unless
they have good and demonstrable reasons why they shouldn't! I would ask
them why they need to incorporate piping in such a box and not within,
or along the wall?
Rob
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From: Sue Pellegrino [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 30 November 2009 13:32
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Setting out of an accessible toilet.
It would seem maybe a peninsular layout would be preferred where there
is space available. Clients seem to be going for jumbo-dispensers for
toilet paper and large sanitary bins which doesn't help in maintaining
clear space in accessible WCs.
Sue
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
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Sent: 30 November 2009 13:18
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Subject: Re: Setting out of an accessible toilet.
The space will need to much bigger than 500mm to provide access for a
helper.
It was sometime after 1990 that I had the discussion with Selwyn
Goldsmith.
Looks as though he had changed his mind by then.
Brian T
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Sent: 30 November 2009 12:29
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Subject: Re: Setting out of an accessible toilet.
Hi
Selwyn Goldsmith research for DOE in 1990 ( Sanitary provision for
people with special needs) indicated that 32% of those canvassed
indicated that they required help in a wheelchair toilet.
Of these 5% required the assistant to be in the position between the wc
and the wall for transferring on and 9% for transferring off.
It would therefore appear reasonable to request the area be accessible
to a helper.
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Michael Zuliani
Sent: 30 November 2009 11:24
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Subject: Setting out of an accessible toilet.
All,
I work in local authority buiding control and also have responsibilities
for access issues within my local authority. We have a new sports
complex rapidly approaching completion. With respect to the accessible
WC in the main reception area the contractor has boxed pipework at low
level reducing the 500mm dimension from wall to centre line of pan to
380mm. Obviously my comments so far have reflected the guidance in the
BS and other supporting documentation (i.e Goldsmith) insomuch as the
space is intended for assisted transfer and any reduction would make
that assistance provision very difficult, if not impossible.
The architects argument is that the 500mm dimension is specifically for
the setting out of the grab rail and does not provide a space for
assisted transfer as that space (i.e 500mm) is too small to assist in a
safe fashion.
Any thoughts gratefully received.
Michael Zuliani Building Control Oxon
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