Yes indeed Simon. This is an important response - and one which should be
included within this dialogue. I posted that paper deliberately - would be
rather interesting (and more) to do a read across in terms of how certain
phrases and terms are used between and across fields (and to see how
different they might be or not).
Would be interesting therefore to see how far others feel the area covered
in the paper is close or otherwise to what is being discussed on this list.
And how it is different - and how this difference can be articulated.
ciao
Bronac
2009/11/2 Simon Biggs <[log in to unmask]>
> Hi Bronac
>
> Interesting paper, although it has a possibly instrumentalist agenda
> underpinning it. I feel instant distrust of people¹s intent when I see the
> words creativity, innovation and productivity placed together in close
> proximity. I am an instinctive Adorno¹ist when it comes to the bringing
> together of culture and industry. Creativity cannot be constrained to
> productivity, even if we try. As an artist who embraces interdisciplinary
> practices I am aware that without careful explanation others will tend to
> perceive my activities as instrumentalist. That assumption has to be broken
> down so that such assumptions around certain practices are not automatic.
> That is one of the main challenges facing practitioners in this field.
>
> Best
>
> Simon
>
>
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> From: Bronac Ferran <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Bronac Ferran <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:51:03 +0000
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> Subject: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] Fwd: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] Art-Science and
> Science-Art Curricula: Call for Contributions
>
> there is also the recent talk
>
> http://www.hsv.se/download/18.211928b51239dbb43167ffe1343/Deborah_L_Wince_Sm
> ith.pdf<http://www.hsv.se/download/18.211928b51239dbb43167ffe1343/Deborah_L_Wince_Sm%0Aith.pdf>
> which posits some of the questions
>
> at Farnham recently - invited by Kathleen Rogers, who has an art and
> science
> research cluster within University of the Creative Arts, Tina Gonsalves and
> I debated the topic Art, Science and Beyond. I feel we also need the beyond
> whilst seeing the art/science interface as a good one to focus on (to give
> some texture to what otherwise can balloon into a kind of nothingness but
> everything debate). Other interfaces and intersections can then hang around
> this generic hub. Or other hubs. I have been like Simon keen on inter and
> transdisciplinary approaches but the words are losing any rigour now (if it
> ever was there?)
>
>
> cheers
> Bronac
>
> 2009/11/2 roger malina <[log in to unmask]>
>
> for the november topic Art, Science, and Methods
> >
> > you may be interested in this compilation of curricula
> > of art science courses that are currently being taught
> > in universities that victoria vesna and i are working on,
> > hoping that this will lead to to a workshop or conference
> > on the teaching of art-science and science-art
> >
> > Whereas there is a developing curriculum base in teaching
> > new media that grew out of the computer art courses in the
> > 1970s and 1980s, the art-science area is only just developing
> > in universities through a few pioneering individuals= and there
> > is nothing like a standard base curriculum. In many universities
> > it is not possible to get course accreditation for art science
> > classes as pointed out by pier-luigi capucci for italy
> >
> > I have asked the question whether there can be a standard
> > curriculum or not= in fields ranging as far as art and medecine,
> > art and meteorology, art and genetics, art and anthropology,
> > art and astronomy etc
> >
> > I have been struck by the report on The Future of Learning
> > Institutions in a Digital Age funded by Marcarthur Foundation
> > and just published by MIT Press ( available for free on line
> > at HASTAC)= it advocates ten principles or learning instutions
> > in the digital age that are surely applicable to art-science
> >
> > here is the call for art science curricula
> >
> > roger
> >
> > >
> > > Art-Science and Science-Art Curricula: Call for Contributions
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> http://www.twine.com/twine/12hmrlnzz-260/art-science-and-science-art-curricula
> > >
> > > Leonardo Education Forum co chair Victoria Vesna and
> > > Leonardo Executive Editor Roger Malina are interested
> > > in examples of courses and curricula that are in the
> > > art-science field- such as courses on art and biology, art and
> > > mathematics, art and chemistry, art and environmental
> > > sciences etc.
> > >
> > > We are not collecting art and new media curricula, but the
> > > broad range of arts ( all forms from performing ,
> > > sound, visual etc) connecting to all sciences, hard and
> > > social sciences. We are including art and new
> > > technologies if they are not new media ( eg nano tech).
> > >
> > > People who have taught an art-science or science art class,
> > > at university or secondary school level,
> > > in formal or informal settings are invited to contact
> > > roger malina, with details of their curriculum, at
> > > rmalina---at----alum.mit.edu
> > >
> >
>
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