Liz, I agree.
Poetry can be taught as an academic subject, but I don't think
innovation in writing can. I fear this journal will become yet another
exclusive partisan establishment body, like Poetry Review is for the
mainstream.
However much I admire the board of directors individually, especially
Marjorie, I feel they are merely figureheads used to add credibility to a
project born from insecurity.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:24:27 +0100, Liz Kirby
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>I know I am being a bit sniffy really (hi Geraldine!) - just getting over
>flu, what can I say?
>
>I don't dismiss the journal, and I don't disparage the poets.
>
>I am just struck by a certain dependence on official sanction and
academic
>authority. How powerful and grand it is. How restrained and measured
and
>intelligent.
>And then I know that what I love, what stirs me, is work that spits and
>vomits and is embarrassingly passionate.....
>
>Universities and academics are A Good Thing. Poetry however is an
>incontinent, driven thing. And sometimes not very polite. Or very
clever.
>
>Lx
>
>
>
>
>2009/10/19 rupert mallin <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> Sorry Peter, but how do you teach innovative poetry as opposed to
>> teaching poetry? Also, is 'Innovative Poetry' now an "established and
>> respectable academic speciality" in this country? Mmm, tell that to
the
>> University of East Anglia -- but also tell it to me!
>>
>> I don't understand how "respectable" and "innovative" can live in
the same
>> sentence. That is, I'm wondering which comes first here - the
respectabllity
>> or the innovation? I'm all for universities but they are NOT centres
for
>> poetic or artistic innovation. Surely, innovations in art and poetry
have
>> come about historically when students and academic staff have
fused with the
>> society beyond. These days, while government directives and the
universities
>> themselves claim a plurality of purpose and record student numbers,
>> ironically, what I see are teaching practices narrowing sharply.
>>
>> So I applaud Liz for actually questioning the ground here - because
it is
>> not fixed, nor is the pole of the academic as steady as it appears
here.
>>
>> Rupert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2009 4:27 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry launch
at
>> Birkbeck (Weds 21st October 2009)
>>
>> I think what it's about is an insistence that the teaching and study
of
>> "Innovative Poetry" is now an established and respectable academic
>> speciality in this country.
>> PRi
>>
>>
>> On 19 Oct 2009, at 16:03, Liz Kirby wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who isn't already on a payroll somewhere invited? Or is this
really
>> just the Journal of British And Irish Innovative Academics
(Poetry).....
>>
>> I suppose people who dont have the sanction of an academic
institution and
>> a steady income cant really be innovative?
>>
>> Just wondering.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> 2009/10/19 Anthony Levings <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>> A quick reminder that this Wednesday (21st October 2009) is the
Birkbeck
>>> launch for the Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry.
Staring at
>>> 7:30 pm. Room B29, Birkbeck Main Building, Malet St., London
WC1E 7HX
>>> http://www.bbk.ac.uk/readings/news/journallaunch
>>>
>>> Speakers:
>>>
>>> Caroline Bergvall, Poet and performer, Arts and Humanities
Research
>>> Council
>>> Fellow in the Creative and Performing Arts at the University of
>>> Southampton
>>>
>>> Andrea Brady, Poet, Lecturer, Department of English, Queen Mary
College
>>>
>>> Robert Hampson, Poet, Professor, Department of English, Royal
Holloway
>>>
>>> Scott Thurston and Robert Sheppard, Editors, Journal of Innovative
British
>>> and Irish Poetry
>>>
>>> Followed by discussion and drinks.
>>>
>>> All Welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anthony Levings, Managing Editor
>>> Gylphi Limited, http://www.gylphi.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>> * Apologies for cross-posting *
>>>
>>
>>
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