I don't understand your question, Mark?
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:54:47 -0400, Mark Weiss
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Let's, for argument's sake, say that they are.
>What other possibility would you envision? Do you
>think the hands-on editor should in all cases be governed by the
reviewers?
>
>At 01:45 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
>>If the board is, as you say, for prestige only, then Elizabeth James,
who
>>is on this board, shouldn’t have said in an earlier post here that they
>>would do peer-reviewing also. So any misunderstanding is due to her
>>input in this matter.
>>
>>Of course, I’m not saying a journal shouldn’t have an angle or biases,
>>to credit me with that is building a straw man for me. My concern is
>>that the journal may become elitist and exclusive, acting as a sort of
>>arbiter of innovative poetic taste, in the same way that Poetry
Review
>>in the UK is an arbiter of taste for mainstream poetry.
>>
>>But I think the overriding issue is to find out if the editorial board
will,
>>indeed, be doing the peer-reviewing or not. I can’t see Elizabeth’s
>>Freudian slip being insignificant, however.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:16:57 -0400, Mark Weiss
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >Let's be real for a moment. All academic fields
>> >are so small that only neophytes don't know most
>> >of the players. I'm a non-academic, but I was
>> >able to identify immediately two of the three
>> >anonymous readers of my Cuban anthology
>> >manuscript. It's also not unheard of for a member
>> >of a peer-review committee to tell a friend or
>> >student that he's on the committee and this would be a good time
to
>>submit.
>> >
>> >That said, contributing editors aren't a
>> >peer-review committee. Their function is to lend
>> >prestige by simply being listed (and many never
>> >do anything beyond that for the publication) and
>> >to keep their ears out for what they think is
>> >interesting work, tho they are never the only
>> >source the actual editors rely on.
>> >
>> >You seem to expect a degree of objectivity that
>> >humans are rarely capable of. I'm not convinced
>> >that it's even desirable in a journal. This one
>> >will develop its own character. Let's see what that is before we
jump
>>on it.
>> >
>> >Mark
>> >
>> >At 12:09 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
>> >>My guess is that the honorifics are there on purpose. They are
>>making a
>> >>statement. They may be removed now that critical attention has
>>been
>> >>brought to them. But it's the lack of anonymity of the peer-review
>>board
>> >>that concerns me. Robert should have decided what was more
>> >>important: the honorifics or the sanctity of the peer-review
process.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:14:30 -0400, Mark Weiss
>> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Black Mountain was hardly a formally organized
>> >> >institution, particularly in its last few years,
>> >> >when Olson was called in to oversee its demise.
>> >> >There were at that point about a hundred
>> >> >students. But it's the Black Mountain College we
>> >> >remember as poets. Even in its rum days it
>> >> >neither sought nor received accreditation.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm acutely aware of the impact of the
>> >> >academicization of poetry in the US. It's been an
>> >> >unmitigated disaster. But that wasn't caused by
>> >> >the existence of academic journals. Let's se what they turn
out.
>> >> >
>> >> >The inclusion of titles in the board list is a
>> >> >bit comic opera, but let's blame it on a
>> >> >beginner's mis-step. We should wish the
>> >> >enterprise well, and maybe in that spirit let the
>> >> >editor know that he should drop the honorifics.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mark
>> >> >
>> >> >At 10:58 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
>> >> >>One of the big dangers is definitely the codification of
practice,
>>and
>> >> >>I am with Jeff on this. This has happened to some extent
>>with 'avant
>> >> >>garde' poetry in the States and it has certainly happened to
art
>>here
>> >> >>in the art colleges - they do not set good examples. Once the
>> >>products
>> >> >>of creativity get into that loop it is very difficult for them to
>> >> >>disentangle. We all want good teachers and good teaching
but
>>all too
>> >> >>often good teachers and good teaching get lost in the
systems
>>and
>> >> >>bureaucracies with their other demands and agendas. The
need
>>to
>> >>get a
>> >> >>'qualification' or certain letters after your name has in the
past
>>not
>> >> >>been the same as the need to create originally. You need
>>freedom
>> >>and
>> >> >>focus. At times this has been given by creative people living
and
>> >> >>working together - the typical artistic group or milieu or
>>movement.
>> >> >>And sometimes of course in glorious isolation from any such
>>thing.
>> >> >>Cases of such things coming from formally organised higher
ed
>> >> >>institutions are rare - Black Mountain would be one of those
>>rarities.
>> >> >>I'm not being romantic about this, I think I am being realistic.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Individuals, such as Robert Sheppard or whoever, are able to
>>fight
>> >> >>against codification, but systems and organisations cannot.
Or at
>> >> >>least, they cannot within the context of modern capitalist
society.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Tim A.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>On 22 Oct 2009, at 15:01, Jeffrey Side wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Sean, I'm not against academic journals if they are about
the
>>study
>> >>of
>> >> >>>poetry rather than concentrating on how it should be written
>>etc.
>> >> >>>And I
>> >> >>>get the feeling that this journal may lead to this, having
read
>>some
>> >> >>>of
>> >> >>>Robert‚s theories on practice. Only time will tell, however.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of
>> >> >>Cuban Poetry (University of California Press).
>> >> >>Forthcoming in November 2009.
>> >> >>http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >
>> >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban
>> >Poetry (University of California Press).
>> >Forthcoming in November 2009.
>> >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
>
>Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban
>Poetry (University of California Press).
>Forthcoming in November 2009.
>http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
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