I think what Liz means is that she is not for innovation propagated by a
sanctioned committee. I wonder if you would be so supportive of the
journal if it were a Cambridge venture?
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:54:10 +0100, Geraldine Monk
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Hello Sniffy Lizzie,
>Well I know what you mean but I don't think your rough and ready
rude and crude leaking from every emotional orifice poetry is
what 'innovative' poetry is about. The idea that innovative poetry is
equated with an unformed torrent of emotion is a concept I find alien.
Many 'innovative' poets spend half their time in the library doing
research. And many don't. I like clever. I'm sick of stupid. It's
everywhere.
>
>Get well soon sweet sniffykins,
>
>G
>
>
> I know I am being a bit sniffy really (hi Geraldine!) - just getting
over flu, what can I say?
>
> I don't dismiss the journal, and I don't disparage the poets.
>
> I am just struck by a certain dependence on official sanction and
academic authority. How powerful and grand it is. How restrained and
measured and intelligent.
> And then I know that what I love, what stirs me, is work that spits
and vomits and is embarrassingly passionate.....
>
> Universities and academics are A Good Thing. Poetry however is an
incontinent, driven thing. And sometimes not very polite. Or very clever.
>
> Lx
>
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> 2009/10/19 rupert mallin <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sorry Peter, but how do you teach innovative poetry as opposed to
teaching poetry? Also, is 'Innovative Poetry' now an "established and
respectable academic speciality" in this country? Mmm, tell that to the
University of East Anglia -- but also tell it to me!
>
> I don't understand how "respectable" and "innovative" can live in
the same sentence. That is, I'm wondering which comes first here - the
respectabllity or the innovation? I'm all for universities but they are
NOT centres for poetic or artistic innovation. Surely, innovations in art
and poetry have come about historically when students and academic
staff have fused with the society beyond. These days, while
government directives and the universities themselves claim a plurality
of purpose and record student numbers, ironically, what I see are
teaching practices narrowing sharply.
>
> So I applaud Liz for actually questioning the ground here - because
it is not fixed, nor is the pole of the academic as steady as it appears
here.
>
> Rupert
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Riley
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> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry launch
at Birkbeck (Weds 21st October 2009)
>
>
> I think what it's about is an insistence that the teaching and
study of "Innovative Poetry" is now an established and respectable
academic speciality in this country.
>
>
> PRi
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>
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 16:03, Liz Kirby wrote:
>
>
> Anyone who isn't already on a payroll somewhere invited? Or is
this really just the Journal of British And Irish Innovative Academics
(Poetry).....
>
> I suppose people who dont have the sanction of an academic
institution and a steady income cant really be innovative?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Liz
>
>
> 2009/10/19 Anthony Levings <[log in to unmask]>
>
> A quick reminder that this Wednesday (21st October 2009) is
the Birkbeck
> launch for the Journal of British and Irish Innovative Poetry.
Staring at
> 7:30 pm. Room B29, Birkbeck Main Building, Malet St., London
WC1E 7HX
> http://www.bbk.ac.uk/readings/news/journallaunch
>
> Speakers:
>
> Caroline Bergvall, Poet and performer, Arts and Humanities
Research Council
> Fellow in the Creative and Performing Arts at the University of
Southampton
>
> Andrea Brady, Poet, Lecturer, Department of English, Queen
Mary College
>
> Robert Hampson, Poet, Professor, Department of English, Royal
Holloway
>
> Scott Thurston and Robert Sheppard, Editors, Journal of
Innovative British
> and Irish Poetry
>
> Followed by discussion and drinks.
>
> All Welcome.
>
>
> Anthony Levings, Managing Editor
> Gylphi Limited, http://www.gylphi.co.uk
>
>
> * Apologies for cross-posting *
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