By all means let's spend our time, and perhaps our ire, on a
discussion of list protocol. How fun!
Anybody seen Trevor Joyce in his new haunts? Is he reshaping
Cambridge to look like Shandon?
At 02:39 PM 10/2/2009, you wrote:
>Personal debates are everywhere in the listservs; one can see (and
>predict) precisely the temper of the response in the
>Bernstein/Johnson/Goldsmith flurry based on who's doing the
>responding--one only has to've been attending to the proceedings for
>a few years. Enabling? why not? Unless you're thinking we've got a
>venue here to plumb only la poesie pure, that dream, British and Irish wing.
>
>
>On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, matt chambers wrote:
>
>>Why are we enabling a personal debate between Bernstein/Johnson
>>that clearly dates back to Johnson's booting from the Poetics
>>listserv in the late '90's, and the eventual shutdown of the
>>initial instantiation of that listserv? (I say this as someone who
>>was brought in to moderate the second instantiation of that
>>listserv for the express purpose of "gatekeeping" such provocateurs
>>as Johnson, which began my questioning of the role and design of these forums.)
>>
>>I am not with Mark on nationalizing the list for the sake of the
>>name of list, as what do national namings of poetics have to do
>>with anyone's practice, but I am with him in suggesting that this
>>conversation may be best put to rest.
>>
>>I say this with some trepidation as this listserv is frequently
>>morgue-quite, which makes me wonder if I am still on the listserv at all.
>>
>>Best.
>>-Matt
>>
>>--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>>From: Robin Hamilton <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Subject: Re: Charles Bernstein enters Johnson/Goldsmith Day debate
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:02 PM
>>><<
>>>How, I wonder, could the "conceptual" have a "venue"?
>>>
>>>Probably a virtual one.
>>>
>>>R
>>>
>>>On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, Mark Weiss wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's simply the wrong venue.
>>
>>
>>
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>
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