Sorry to hear that. Unless you're making a
punctuation pun. In which case I'm sorry to hear that.
At 02:22 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
>I don't understand your question, Mark?
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:54:47 -0400, Mark Weiss
><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Let's, for argument's sake, say that they are.
> >What other possibility would you envision? Do you
> >think the hands-on editor should in all cases be governed by the
>reviewers?
> >
> >At 01:45 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
> >>If the board is, as you say, for prestige only, then Elizabeth James,
>who
> >>is on this board, shouldn’t have said in an earlier post here that they
> >>would do peer-reviewing also. So any misunderstanding is due to her
> >>input in this matter.
> >>
> >>Of course, I’m not saying a journal shouldn’t have an angle or biases,
> >>to credit me with that is building a straw man for me. My concern is
> >>that the journal may become elitist and exclusive, acting as a sort of
> >>arbiter of innovative poetic taste, in the same way that Poetry
>Review
> >>in the UK is an arbiter of taste for mainstream poetry.
> >>
> >>But I think the overriding issue is to find out if the editorial board
>will,
> >>indeed, be doing the peer-reviewing or not. I can’t see Elizabeth’s
> >>Freudian slip being insignificant, however.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:16:57 -0400, Mark Weiss
> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Let's be real for a moment. All academic fields
> >> >are so small that only neophytes don't know most
> >> >of the players. I'm a non-academic, but I was
> >> >able to identify immediately two of the three
> >> >anonymous readers of my Cuban anthology
> >> >manuscript. It's also not unheard of for a member
> >> >of a peer-review committee to tell a friend or
> >> >student that he's on the committee and this would be a good time
>to
> >>submit.
> >> >
> >> >That said, contributing editors aren't a
> >> >peer-review committee. Their function is to lend
> >> >prestige by simply being listed (and many never
> >> >do anything beyond that for the publication) and
> >> >to keep their ears out for what they think is
> >> >interesting work, tho they are never the only
> >> >source the actual editors rely on.
> >> >
> >> >You seem to expect a degree of objectivity that
> >> >humans are rarely capable of. I'm not convinced
> >> >that it's even desirable in a journal. This one
> >> >will develop its own character. Let's see what that is before we
>jump
> >>on it.
> >> >
> >> >Mark
> >> >
> >> >At 12:09 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
> >> >>My guess is that the honorifics are there on purpose. They are
> >>making a
> >> >>statement. They may be removed now that critical attention has
> >>been
> >> >>brought to them. But it's the lack of anonymity of the peer-review
> >>board
> >> >>that concerns me. Robert should have decided what was more
> >> >>important: the honorifics or the sanctity of the peer-review
>process.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:14:30 -0400, Mark Weiss
> >> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Black Mountain was hardly a formally organized
> >> >> >institution, particularly in its last few years,
> >> >> >when Olson was called in to oversee its demise.
> >> >> >There were at that point about a hundred
> >> >> >students. But it's the Black Mountain College we
> >> >> >remember as poets. Even in its rum days it
> >> >> >neither sought nor received accreditation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm acutely aware of the impact of the
> >> >> >academicization of poetry in the US. It's been an
> >> >> >unmitigated disaster. But that wasn't caused by
> >> >> >the existence of academic journals. Let's se what they turn
>out.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The inclusion of titles in the board list is a
> >> >> >bit comic opera, but let's blame it on a
> >> >> >beginner's mis-step. We should wish the
> >> >> >enterprise well, and maybe in that spirit let the
> >> >> >editor know that he should drop the honorifics.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mark
> >> >> >
> >> >> >At 10:58 AM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
> >> >> >>One of the big dangers is definitely the codification of
>practice,
> >>and
> >> >> >>I am with Jeff on this. This has happened to some extent
> >>with 'avant
> >> >> >>garde' poetry in the States and it has certainly happened to
>art
> >>here
> >> >> >>in the art colleges - they do not set good examples. Once the
> >> >>products
> >> >> >>of creativity get into that loop it is very difficult for them to
> >> >> >>disentangle. We all want good teachers and good teaching
>but
> >>all too
> >> >> >>often good teachers and good teaching get lost in the
>systems
> >>and
> >> >> >>bureaucracies with their other demands and agendas. The
>need
> >>to
> >> >>get a
> >> >> >>'qualification' or certain letters after your name has in the
>past
> >>not
> >> >> >>been the same as the need to create originally. You need
> >>freedom
> >> >>and
> >> >> >>focus. At times this has been given by creative people living
>and
> >> >> >>working together - the typical artistic group or milieu or
> >>movement.
> >> >> >>And sometimes of course in glorious isolation from any such
> >>thing.
> >> >> >>Cases of such things coming from formally organised higher
>ed
> >> >> >>institutions are rare - Black Mountain would be one of those
> >>rarities.
> >> >> >>I'm not being romantic about this, I think I am being realistic.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Individuals, such as Robert Sheppard or whoever, are able to
> >>fight
> >> >> >>against codification, but systems and organisations cannot.
>Or at
> >> >> >>least, they cannot within the context of modern capitalist
>society.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Tim A.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>On 22 Oct 2009, at 15:01, Jeffrey Side wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Sean, I'm not against academic journals if they are about
>the
> >>study
> >> >>of
> >> >> >>>poetry rather than concentrating on how it should be written
> >>etc.
> >> >> >>>And I
> >> >> >>>get the feeling that this journal may lead to this, having
>read
> >>some
> >> >> >>>of
> >> >> >>>Robert‚s theories on practice. Only time will tell, however.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of
> >> >> >>Cuban Poetry (University of California Press).
> >> >> >>Forthcoming in November 2009.
> >> >> >>http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban
> >> >Poetry (University of California Press).
> >> >Forthcoming in November 2009.
> >> >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
> >
> >Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban
> >Poetry (University of California Press).
> >Forthcoming in November 2009.
> >http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
Announcing The Whole Island: Six Decades of Cuban
Poetry (University of California Press).
Forthcoming in November 2009.
http://go.ucpress.edu/WholeIsland
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