I don't feel particularly strongly about an SoA/RMS/CILIP...etc 'merger' but I have to report that the CILIP magazine ('Update') publishes whatever articles of interest it can get it's hands on.  Having spoken to Elspeth Hyams on occasion I can report that she actively solicits RM features and has printed a few of my meagre efforts on email management and the RMS conference 2008.  As Kathy says, we only get out what we put in.

Cheers

Suzy

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I have to agree with Sara on this. As someone who has moved from the library side of the profession to the records management side, I've found I identify less and less with CILIP. While it promotes public libraries well, it does neglect other areas of the profession. As someone who was working in government libraries, I found even within the library sphere, CILIP's representation of issues relating to my specialism was patchy at best, despite having GLG (Government Libraries Group) and have found NGLIS (Network of Government Library and Information Specialists) to be more proactive in representing government library issues.

As a chartered librarian, I now feel trapped into staying a member of CILIP because when you leave the body you lose your chartered status and are penalised when you rejoin in the future. I've always felt that any chartered status for professionals should be independent of any professional body just as my degree is so that I cannot be held to ransom by any one professional body as I progress my career within my chosen profession.

Over the past few days I've been reading the posting with interest, then trepidation and slowly alarm as I would definitely not be keen to see any merger with CILIP. When the LA merged with the IiS, my perception was that it was not a merger but a takeover, and CILIP has reverted back into its comfort zone of public library representation. I have rarely seen anything relating to records management issues appearing in Library and Information Update - for example there are often articles about the latest developments in library management systems, but when did you see any reviews of EDRM system developments?

Finally, as someone who has moved from library work to records management, I am aware that at long last the work I do is recognised as playing a vital role in my organisation. Knowing that CILIP and the library profession is its own worst enemy at promoting itself, especially when it comes to improving pay, I would not like to see this damaged by allowing a body that has little interest in this area of the profession to take over and "represent" me and my skills. Copyright, DPA, FOI, EIR, RoPSI Regulations and other legal frameworks surrounding information has helped lift information management onto the agenda of senior management and I think we should maintain our own professional bodies so that we manage our own future and develop a better level of representation than anything CILIP would provide.

Stephen


Stephen Bagley, Agency Records Officer

Highways Agency



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CILIP is not necessarily the answer. Get any group of librarians together and they will whinge about the shortcomings of CILIP. I know when I left CILIP to join the RMS CILIP were keen to tell me that they do support Records Managers, although their journal doesn't really reflect that. The usual moan is that CILIP tends to think of public libraries first and foremost - but then public libraries are the places most likely to require chartership or link salary to chartership (or were, before they started getting rid of professional/qualified staff!) Despite CILIP librarians complain that they have no voice (or not one that is heard) and that they have a poor public image. Many employers neither know nor care about chartership.

Personally I've worked in libraries (public and special), publishing and records and for me there are clear links between them and I am happy to consider myself an information professional.

Sara



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I thought the crux of the argument was about a couple of things.

Firstly how to raise the profile of and advocacy (a clear large voice ) for information management as a whole.

Secondly some type of chartership/accreditation for records management

Both I think are good ideas and should be pursued

I think it would be useful to join a larger body like CILIP (already chartered, and a large organisation). However my concern is how well an organisation like CILIP will advocate on Records Management, Archives and Information Governance. As after looking at the Sue Hill blog there seem to be a perceived bias that CILIP is mainly advocating in  the traditional library areas.

A second area of concern is the governmental move for Libraries, Archives and Museums to be separated or grouped into a more cultural/leisure type of area, which to me seems to be a bit divergent  from the information management element.



Tony May
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