Andrew, Alison

I haven't seen the documentary but I have read the poems and they left me
feeling very very cold about Mr Armitage.

best

dave




2009/9/25 andrew burke <[log in to unmask]>

> Yes, Alison, that crap about losing detachment was amazing. I'd hate to see
> the final product! Andrew
>
> 2009/9/25 Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > Doug, there's an "in" at the end of the url - remove it and bob's your
> > uncle, or at least a fairly close relative.
> >
> > To be fair to Armitage, it's a pretty crap article, and it would be
> > hard to be sure he actually said what he is quoted as saying.
> >
> > What made me gasp - really - was this:
> >
> > "In addition to poetry, Armitage also works on documentaries,
> > including his film project “The Not Dead” about returning war
> > veterans. Armitage said he listened to veterans’ testimonies and wrote
> > poems based on them, which the veterans read aloud on camera.
> >
> > "Armitage said he hoped his audience would learn better from the
> > poetic voices in the film than from hearing the original testimonies."
> >
> > That's not only patronising nut arrogant. And not meeting the veterans
> > in case he "loses the necessary detachment" is just fucked. But there
> > we are.
> >
> > xA
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:21 AM, halvard <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Doug, I think most of these sites are designed to keep
> > > Canadians out.
> > >
> > > Hal
> > >
> > > "Once upon a time Baltimore was necessary."
> > >                         --Gertrude Stein
> > >
> > > Halvard Johnson
> > > ================
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > http://sites.google.com/site/halvardjohnson/Home
> > > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com
> > > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com
> > > http://www.hamiltonstone.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Douglas Barbour
> > > <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, I couldnt get in, but I guess the real problem here is just who
> > 'the
> > >> common reader' is. And do any of them read or listen to poetry ( what
> > does
> > >> any one of them mean by that term?).
> > >>
> > >> What always surprises me is how well people who are caught in a poetry
> > >> reading (as, say, students in a class where the prof brings one in)
> > 'get' so
> > >> much.
> > >>
> > >> So I'm not sure who Armitage is speaking about, but I have seen, in
> many
> > >> critical surveys, a sense that modernism as promoted by Pound et.al.,
> > >> 'didn’t quite catch on.'
> > >>
> > >> Doug
> > >> On 24-Sep-09, at 1:35 AM, andrew burke wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  The Daily Free Press at Boston University has just published an
> article
> > >>> about Simon Armitage at
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> http://www.dailyfreepress.com/simon-armitage-speaks-on-poetry-art-1.1907598in
> > >>> which was reported:
> > >>>
> > >>> Armitage also drew a distinction between American and British poetry.
> > In
> > >>> the United States, he said, “poetry imploded into the universities.”
> > >>>
> > >>> “In the States, poetry is campus-based,” he said. “A lot of poets are
> > >>> housed
> > >>> in universities where they are respected and looked after. In the UK,
> > [I
> > >>> have a] general feeling modernism didn’t quite catch on. I think in
> the
> > >>> UK,
> > >>> poets like myself tend to write for the common reader.”
> > >>>
> > >>> END
> > >>>
> > >>> That sounds very condescending to 'the common reader' to me. Any
> > thoughts?
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Andrew
> > >>> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Douglas Barbour
> > >> [log in to unmask]
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/ <
> http://www.ualberta.ca/%7Edbarbour/ <http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/>><
> > http://www.ualberta.ca/%7Edbarbour/ <http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/>>
> > >>
> > >> Latest books:
> > >> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
> > >> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
> > >> Wednesdays'
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
> > >>
> > >> Take away my wisdom and my categories!
> > >>
> > >>                 Phyllis Webb
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Editor, Masthead:  http://www.masthead.net.au
> > Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com
> > Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
>  Andrew
> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
>



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