Also agreed Alan,
I guess I'm just taking the "how do we get there from here ?" stance.
Engaging with the question as framed - before - moving the goalposts ;-)
But Tom, can speak for himself.
Regards
Ian
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Alan Rayner
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> Dear Ian,
>
> Agreed.
>
> But I think what I, Cheri and Yunus were trying to do here is take the
> opportunity to develop this conversation more deeply (as per the attached
> set of poems). Actually, what I would have most difficulty with in the
> depiction is the notion of 'autonomy', which is in its turn an artefact of
> 'starting with a definition'.
>
> Warmest
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Glendinning"
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: artiificial moral agents (AMA)
>
>
>> Hi Folks, I think we are being a little unfair on Tom's question.
>>
>> Notwithstanding the simplistic reduction - of the power to act and the
>> wisdom to do the right thing - to a two-dimensional graph.
>> Notwithstanding the fact that I share a view that wisdom is more
>> "child-like" than received (westen, objective) intellectual wisdom.
>> Tom's starting point is "defintional" - placing a new-born child
>> "bottom-left" is just defining his axes - the autonomy and wisdom "of
>> a new born child".
>>
>> I think a child has high "potential" to the top-right, and is clearly
>> well above a dead physical object, having innate evolved capabilities
>> to act and evaluate. A "bot" starts well of the bottom-left scale.
>> The point is a development & learning one, surely ?
>> And a question of what qualities and processes define moving (up and)
>> to the right (and which ones don't) ?
>>
>> The usual qustion - What defines wisdom, how is it learned, developed ?
>> When could one "bot" be said to be more "wise" than another; in what
>> way is a developing human wiser than a bot ?
>>
>> I think Tom's questiion is valid, because as he points out "bots"
>> already have autonomy with moral consequences, even for those who
>> believe a bot could never have the moral wisom to be trusted with such
>> decisions and actions.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ian
>>
>>
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