All I can say about the big bad Wolf is that he was politically retarded.
FWIW I am sensitive to the ridicularity (or should that be ridiculosity) of
translating anglo concepts back and forth into European let alone other
tongues whose word order ken I not, or not I ken can. I did present a paper
on that subject if anyone can rememeber.
The whole point is even in English there is no standard as to what bit of
the syntax you put first cos poetry goes f**k it up well does it an still
know meaning you that I do. (or rephrase to, meaning that you I do know)
never mind what else I can do with this language.
You see language is falsehood and approximation it is the best bet, a
compromise, an asymptotic curve of approaching synchronisation of meaning
intention and interpretation. If I were French and got sizzled on Pastis I
could book an about write it :)
That is to say that language usage is essentially social, not communication
per se, possibly that is the reasons that the drifts that it does do stick,
and how dialect becomes language, it's a whole study in itself.
But then with the likes of Gerard Manley Hopkins who gives the proverbial
monkeys ................... Beowulf don't he gone done snuffed it time back,
dragons notwithstanding.
Larry
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> Devva,
>
> I remember a student asking me, years ago, which was correct: PWD or DP. I
said: "Yes",
> because there were arguments either way, at the time. It does seem to me
that the PWD
> locution has become less favored recently.
>
> I'm also reminded of the need to explain some writings of Wolf
Wolfensberger in older
> issues of the journal "Mental Retardation," where he would insist on using
the term
> "mentally retarded" and the editor would need to explain why he was
allowing that term.
>
> Of course, all this is part of the ongoing discussions about labels and
labeling that goes
> back probably 35 or 40 years; Jim Gallagher had a paper about the "sacred"
and "profane"
> uses of labels.
>
> Finally: though I have not been following it lately, the WHO had a
classification scheme
> that defined disability by function, though it seemed then to be almost
impossibly
> complicated.
>
> Thanks for the insights....
>
> Tim
>
> Timothy Lillie, PhD
> Associate Professor, Special Education and Disability Studies
> Fellow, Institute for Life Span Development and Gerontology
> The University of Akron
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Devva Kasnitz
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:17 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Articles on Mass media and disability terminology
>
> Tim,
>
> I've encountered the same thing with journals. Besides that
> "disabled person" and "person with a disability" do not mean the
> same thing and reference different literature, besides the fact that
> language is a living changing thing, it is an infringement on
> academic freedom. I tell my students to use any term they want,
> including ones I would never use. But, tell me why.
>
> Devva
>
> t 10:04 AM 9/29/2009, Lillie,Timothy H wrote:
> >It's remarkable how politicized these terms are. For example, I
> >recently tried to include both terms (e.g., "disabled person" and
> >"person with disability") in material that's being used for an
> >upcoming accreditation visit for our College of Education. However,
> >the powers-that-be insisted that the only correct language is
> >"person first" language and changed the terms accordingly.
> >
> >I've also had some students report that they have been (by other
> >instructors) dinged on tests and papers if they have NOT used the
> >"person first" language.
> >
> >It's an example, to me -- though relatively trivial, I suppose -- of
> >how terms such as these become ossified and set-in-stone as received
wisdom.
> >
> >Any ideas on how I might go about promoting the idea that the term
> >that is approved by a professional association (the Council for
> >Exceptional Children, I believe) is not necessarily the only way to
> >refer to people?
> >
> >Tim L.
> >
> >Timothy Lillie, PhD
> >Associate Professor, Special Education and Disability Studies
> >Fellow, Institute for Life Span Development and Gerontology
> >The University of Akron
> >322 Zook Hall
> >Akron OH 44325-4205
> >330-972-6746
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
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> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bryant, Helen
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Articles on Mass media and disability terminology
> >
> >I LOVE IT!
> >
> >Yes, viva las Disabalistas! : )
> >
> >And I do agree about "person first" language, too - I did support it
> >at first, but now I much prefer "disabled person" - or, now, the above!
> >
> >H
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Larry Arnold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: 29 September 2009 14:19
> >To: Bryant, Helen; [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: RE: Articles on Mass media and disability terminology
> >
> >
> >Maybe we should all insist on being called Disabalistas like it was some
> >guerilla movement. Twenty years or more I have seen codes being put about
> >and for just as long the people with journalism get it wrong.
> >
> >I am not a person with a disability either, it makes me feel as if the
> >disability is something that stands beside me which I carry around like a
> >burden, a piece of nastiness to be excused with a polite phrase like
"going
> >to the bathroom" when you want a crap. So vamanos mi companeros viva las
> >disabalistas (pardon the bad Spanish I got it from the Westerns)
> >
> >Larry
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > Sent: 28 September 2009 14:22
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> > > Subject: Re: Articles on Mass media and disability terminology
> > >
> > > I hate to sound a sour note, here, but we'll never get anywhere if
> >journalists/presenters in
> > > this country (the UK) continue to call us "the disabled", as if we
were
> >some lumpen thing.
> > >
> > > I heard it again this morning, on the TV, and although I complained,
via
> >Twitter, I don't
> > > suppose it'll make any difference to the particular presenter's way of
> >thinking.
> > >
> > > Some journals in the UK continue to use the term "wheelchair bound" as
> >well.
> > >
> > > To be fair, in my experience, the BBC has cleaned up its act, and is
> >responsive when
> > > people ask for something to be changed, I just wish others would
follow.
> > >
> > > Helen Bryant
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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