Excellent points, Ana!
2003/1/1 Ana Olinto <[log in to unmask]>
> judy, i think, as a painter, the gender crisis has a lot to do with the
> fact
> that we humans - and not the other animals - have our senses -
> particularly the visual - paralized by language and symbols.
> the child has everything to develop his senses, but socialization makes
> him stop seeing the pure plastic shapes of boys and girls and start
> seeing symbols, stop feeling his body and genitals and start associating
> them with symbols.
> this is not the whole question, there's also the question of male power
> and dominance, but i think literature and the visual arts should go hand
> in hand in exploring sexuality.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Prince" <
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> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Last Post Laureate
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>
> Max, I was struck the same way as your friend---remarkable when you
>> consider
>> I've never been to a men's changing room. ;-) [public toilets another
>> matter; shorter queues, so to speak]
>> Females' crises of sexual and gender identity are no less 'tragic' than
>> males'. However, I've never read any [fe]male account which touched the
>> heart of embarrassment, shutting down, fragile emotions, and crushed
>> prospects as yours does.
>>
>> When folks say that they youthly felt and still feel 'different' and
>> inferior to others---a universal reaction, it seems---I wonder if it
>> doesn't
>> start there. And for males, given that 'performance art' applies more
>> directly to them than females, I should imagine that Hitlers, Osama bin
>> Ladens, p'raps even Henry VIIIs don't surprise us.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> 2009/8/2 Max Richards <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> Ah well, Judy...
>>>
>>> I showed that 1949 changing room to a young ie 41 friend, and he said
>>> Nothing's
>>> changed, take the date off it, it's still contemporary.
>>> This surprised me somehow.
>>>
>>> best from max
>>>
>>> Quoting Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
>>>
>>> > Thanks, Max, that's lovely to hear, but it was a two-topic frustrate
>>> > sandwich, the sell-by date now passed. I have enuff self-assigned
>>> writing
>>> > to busy me 'til death do translate me to other tasks. [which does >
>>> *not*
>>> > mean I wouldnae like a ticket to the Changing Room you so attractively
>>> > poetised !]
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Judy
>>> >
>>> > 2009/8/1 Max Richards <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >
>>> > > Judy,
>>> > >
>>> > > You yourself have already drafted the makings of THE article on this
>>> topic.
>>> > > Go for it.
>>> > >
>>> > > best from Max
>>> > >
>>> > > Quoting Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
>>> > >
>>> > > > You've put your finger on something, David: "It's social realism
>>> without
>>> > > > real anger."
>>> > > > Phony is what it is. It's not just C Duff, and it's not just > > >
>>> poetry.
>>> > > Since
>>> > > > I rarely read novels, don't watch tv, and seldom see non-historical
>>> > > > films/DVDs, I can't judge those genres, but I do note that plays >
>>> > > and
>>> > > poetry
>>> > > > puff up sales when they 'feel like' political anger or
>>> class/age/gender
>>> > > > angst. I think it's worse than pornography which at least honestly
>>> rips
>>> > > us
>>> > > > off. Modern poetry and play "topic-porno" tweaks predictably and
>>> > > quickly,
>>> > > > but not surprisingly lacks creative depth.
>>> > > ...
>>> > > > our Empresses'
>>> > > > New Clothes......wedged and skewered now into all our poem > > >
>>> archives.
>>> > >
>>> > > > I hope several folk will write articles and books on this topic.
>>> > >
>>> > > > Best,
>>> > >
>>> > > > Judy
>>> > >
>>> > >
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