I'm talking about the supremacy of an influence rather than of
individual poets. This should have been obvious.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:46:10 -0400, Mark Weiss
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>"Supremacy" seems a bit strong. Has to do with force of arms?
>
>This is I think pretty silly. Most verse on both sides of the
>Atlantic has been pretty feeble, but that's always so, and a lot of
>the big names are pretty hollow. If people still read poetry in 20
>years, let alone 200, what will they make of Billy Collins?
>
>That said, a few whose absence is noteworthy, and a personal
>favorite. Tennyson, Browning, Landor, Hopkins, Hardy, Ford Maddox
>Ford. In comparison, you might want to look at some pre-modernist
>Americans like Longfellow, Lanier, Markham, Robinson, Lowell (the
>first one, but the second aint much either, imho).
>
>I'm obviously not trying to be encyclopedic here, and, except for
>Ford (see his wonderful last book, the serial poem Buckshee), I've
>avoided listing the near-contemporary, but you get the picture.
>
>Mark
>
>At 12:09 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>>I will not say that what you say is not so. My piece was arguing for
the
>>supremacy of the US influence historically, rather than to dismiss
>>certain UK poets whose practice benefitted from High Modernism.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:32:18 +0100, Sally Evans
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >I think what has happened to British Poetry in the time stated is
it has
>> >culturally split through the regions and countries that make up the
>>British
>> >Isles. Scottish poetry was really vibrant in the 20th c so especially
>>was
>> >Scottish Gaelic poetry. David Jones as an English speaking Welsh
poet
>>and
>> >Basil Bunting as a northern poet are cases in point.
>> >Sally Evans
>> >http://www.desktopsallye.com
>> >http://www.poetryscotland.co.uk
>> >http://www.brokenholmes.co.uk
>> >tel UK 01877 339449
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Douglas Barbour" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:11 PM
>> >Subject: Re: "Has British Poetry had any significance since
>>Wordsworth?"
>> >
>> >
>> >> Some rhetorical force, perhaps, but I would wonder nevertheless.
>> >>
>> >> Even within the possibilities of innovation, I cant see not
>>mentioning at
>> >> least the major works of Basil Bunting & David Jones.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, poetry hasn't much 'place' outside of all the poets, but I'm
not
>> >> sure it has been as present as either fiction or drama since I
dont
>>know
>> >> when...
>> >>
>> >> And there has been Britain's own more or less 'language' group
(s)
>>over
>> >> the past 40 years or so, with its effect.
>> >>
>> >> Doug
>> >> On 25-Aug-09, at 4:30 AM, Jeffrey Side wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> New blog post:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Has British Poetry had any significance since Wordsworth?"
>> >>>
>> >>> This may seem an outlandish question, but I think it has some
>>force
>> >>> behind it. Of course, the influence of Wordsworth on
contemporary
>> >>> British mainstream poetry need hardly be stressed, and I have
>>written
>> >>> extensively about this elsewhere. It is because of this
influence
>>that
>> >>> most of the celebrated British poetry of the Twentieth Century
>>tended
>> >>> towards mediocrity when compared to American poetry of the
>>same
>> >>> period.....
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Douglas Barbour
>> >> [log in to unmask]
>> >>
>> >> http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/
>> >>
>> >> Latest books:
>> >> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
>> >> http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664
>> >> Wednesdays'
>> >> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-
>>aboveground-press_10.html
>> >>
>> >> There are as many fools in the world as there are people.
>> >>
>> >> Sigmund Freud
>> >>
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