David,
Thanks for info and links.
Some writers of DPI Disabled Peoples' International are now writing that
"Nothing about us without us" was the original slogan used at the 1st World
Congress of DPI held in Singapore 1981, in fact this slogan was Vox Nostra
"Our Voice".
One problem for me as an English only webster is that references & histories
in other languages are unknown unless translated.
As I said before I first heard Nothing about us without us from DPI World
Chairperson Ron Chandran-Dudley when he attended our first DPI Asia Pacific
Regional Assembly in Adelaide 1984. At that meeting he was accompanied by a
Polish female Dr (PhD) following his recent visit to Poland. Ron told us it
was a cry for freedom used in peasant uprisings.
As for when it became common usage in our disability movement would be hard
to pin down. Use in articles & newspapers is usually well after the event
with us remembering history as we think it was, maybe not as it actually
was.
Regards,
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: "David P. Dillard" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: nothing about us without us
There are several observations that must be made regarding the post from
Larry Arnold. First of all, I am an exceedingly young person. Harry S.
Truman was the President of the United States of America when I was born
so I just graduated from Elementary School but a few weeks ago. <g>
Secondly, and much more importantly, the search that I conducted of Google
News Archive, given that this is a disabilities list, was to find the use
of "Nothing about us without us" IN THE CONTEXT OF DISABILITIES and not as
used in other contexts and this can be clearly viewed by anyone who
elected to check the link that I provided.
Results 1 - 2 of 2 for "nothing about us without us" and disabilities.
(0.10 seconds)
View recent news results for nothing-about-us-without-us and disabilities
1990-91
Search other dates
Search other dates From To
Also of critical importance is that I was looking to see news media use of
this phrase. Google News Archive does not cover other uses of this
phrase such as that in books, literature, scholarly sources, popular
magazines and in documents found on the web, old or new. Other Google
search tools can be used for this type of searching, but I limited to news
media because this is the only Google database, Google News Archive, that
has a timeline chart at the top of the search results, making a
chronological time line a part of this tools information retrieval. I
noted that this was not an accurate indication of the first use of this
phrase, even by the media, but rather an interesting Google fact to note.
Furthermore, full text indexing of news media was a develoment that really
got underway in a larger scale starting in 1980, so that most full text
searching of newspapers prior to 1980 mostly encompass retro-indexing
projects that are far fewer in number than the from now on entries into
the full text archives of newspapers starting around 1980 and beyond.
Indeed for any who wish to pursue the first use of this phrase in any
context, one can Meet the Googles for help with this task.
Google Web Search:
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,810 for "nothing about us without us" and
(origin OR "first use" OR etymology).
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=L0J9StGFINSJtgfUnqn2Aw&sa=X&oi=
spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22nothing+about+us+without+us%22+and+
(origin+OR+%22first+use%22+OR+etymology)&spell=1>
A shorter URL for the above link:
<http://tinyurl.com/m4k2ol>
Google Scholar:
Results 1 - 10 of about 251 for "nothing about us without us" and (origin
OR "first use" OR etymology).
<http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&ei=L0J9StGFINSJtgfUnqn2Aw&
resnum=0&q=%22nothing%20about%20us%20without%20us%22%20and%20
(origin%20OR%20%22first%20use%22%20OR%20etymology)
&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ws>
A shorter URL for the above link:
<http://tinyurl.com/kqewv2>
Google Books:
Books 1 - 10 of 18 on "nothing about us without us" and (origin OR "first
use" OR etymology).
<http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&ei=L0J9StGFINSJtgfUnqn2Aw&resnum=
0&q=%22nothing%20about%20us%20without%20us%22%20and%20(origin%20OR%20%
22first%20use%22%20OR%20etymology)&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=sp>
A shorter URL for the above link:
<http://tinyurl.com/l7ghvy>
Generally, it is hard to track when a word or phrase came into use, but
Google provides tools for this activity that can be found nowhere else,
in particular the ability of do a full text search in now over seven
million books of all vintages and growing. There is no other full text
book search tool of this nature on this planet, Microsoft tried to create
a competitive search tool and abandoned the project.
This leads to another observation about the tone of this criticism. I
encounter numerous older scholars who are critical of computer tools and
of databases and search engines. They are far from perfect. EBSCO and
OVID have both found me on the telephone complaining about their search
tools over time. That being said, the ability to track information that
could have taken weeks in the world of card catalogs and periodical
indexes, is now reduced to minutes or less with many searches. One no
longer needs to know the first word of a title or guess what subject
heading a cataloger or subject indexer selected to index a book or
article. In the nineteen-seventies (I do seem a bit old to be just
starting Middle School), I went round and round with a cataloger who
insisted on using the subject heading "Registers" to describe by subject a
government manual like the United States Manual or United States
Government Manual.
<http://tinyurl.com/ksfeoo>
<http://tinyurl.com/mo6eqy>
<http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/
publications/government-manual.html>
A shorter URL for the above link:
<http://tinyurl.com/mwtm4g>
Quoting:
The United States Government Manual provides comprehensive information on
the agencies of the legislative, judicial, and executive branches. It also
includes information on quasi-official agencies; international
organizations in which the United States participates; and boards,
commissions, and committees.
The Manual, one of GPO's top selling publications, is published annually
as a special edition of the Federal Register (1 CFR 9.1). The new edition
of the Manual is available to the Public each year in the late summer.
A typical agency description includes:
A list of officials heading major operating units
A summary statement of the agency's purpose and role in the Federal
Government
A brief history of the agency, including its legislative or executive
authority
A description of its programs and activities
Information, addresses, and phone numbers to help users locate detailed
information on consumer activities, contracts and grants, employment,
publications, and other matters of public interest
------------------
Who would ever dream of searching the word REGISTERS to find this
reference tool. The old methods of locating information using print tools
were frought with huge traps. Consider the ancestor of the database
PsychInfo, Psychological Abstracts. One had to use the index to see an
article title and a list of hard to mentally process list of key terms and
phrases descriptive of the article to decide if one wanted to go to
another volume by five digit entry number all covering a six month period
to view the abstract and citation for this enigmatic article listing. It
could take a doctoral student many months of Sundays to try and use this
tool and to be thorough, they would also want to accomplish this same kind
of feat in Sociological Abstracts. Information retrieval feats have become
less stringent with the advent of databases and search engines. Today one
can search Sociological Abstacts using it as a database from Cambridge
Scientific Abstracts (CSA) who also own Pro-Quest and Dialog. One can
search PsycInfo from a number of vendors including OVID and EBSCO, but the
catch is that one must be at an institution such as a college or
university that provides these tools online for member use. One must also
learn the very different searching protocols and techniques for each of
these databanks. For those outside this group, in the United States and
some other countries such as Canada, public libraries through state
governments or provincial governments provide access to a select group of
databases 24/7 to library card holders who can log on from any computer
with their library card number and perhaps a PIN or other ID to use these
tools. The EBSCO database Academic Search Premier that covers all subject
fields is frequently one of these databases available through public
librraies. First Search makes Worldcat available free on the web and it
is a very large database of books that also provided selected article
content from the First Search database Article First. Nevertheless,
anyone in the world can use Google Scholar, Google Government and Google
Books. Google Scholar, it should be noted, without full text found in
these databases, except as made available elsewhere, has the full indexing
and abstacting of these databases.
MUSE
JSTOR
PubMed (MEDLINE as a commercial product)
Science Direct
and I am certain there are others.
Worldcat
<http://www.worldcat.org>
If you make the mistake of using .com with this address instead of .org,
you will find yourself in ship shape and in water over your head. <g>
Another danger of the old print tool methods of research somehow
overlooked these days is the risk of serious injury. Consider dropping a
heavy card catalog drawer with over one thousand cards on your foot. Two
hands required for pulling these weapons out of the holder for research
purposes. I have a cartoon on my door that shows a person on his stomach
on the floor with the rod used to hold catalog cards in the drawer in his
back. The librarian is explaining to the policeman as they stand over
cards scattered on the floor that this deceased library user dropped the
arabic language card catalog drawer.
Well I would love to continue this discussion, but I need to study for
Middle School that starts in less than a month and I do not have a lot of
time for this today as I also play third base in Little League and we have
a game today.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Larry Arnold wrote:
> So much for the fallible memory of google, oh ye latter generation with
> minds no larger than Cyber Space, who know not what lies beyond and has
> yet
> to penetrate.
> I have been around longer than the 1990's and so has the phrase.
> It has echo's in many others too, as has already been elicited. Even that
> favourite, "no taxation without representation comes to mind."
> But who remembers this one, sous les paves la plage ? Ou sont les habitués
> du Quartier Latin, Danton?
> Larry
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List [mailto:DISABILITY-
>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David P. Dillard
>> Sent: 07 August 2009 18:38
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: nothing about us without us
>>
>>
>>
>> This is hardly reliable timeline information, but Google News Archive
>> tracks this phrase to around 1990
>>
>> <http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22nothing+about+us+without+
>> us%22+and+disabilities&scoring=a&hl=en&ned=us&sa=N&sugg=d&as_ldate=
>> 1990&as_hdate=1991&lnav=hist0>
>>
>>
>> A shorter URL for the above link:
>>
>>
>> <http://tinyurl.com/no2lpe>
>>
>>
>> 1990-91 Search other datesSearch other datesFrom To
>>
>>
>>
>> for persons with developmental disabilities: a cooperative...
>> Pay-Per-View - Palaestra - HighBeam Research - Jun 22, 1991
>> March is developmental disabilities awareness month.(state and local
>> news)(Nothing About Us Without Us celebration)(Brief article) ... Related
>> web pages
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>>
>>
>>
>> Maryland doctor gives `irrecuperables' a chance
>> Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Sep 10, 1990
>> The priority: 500 to 600 kids with deformities and disabilities who, ...
>> to operate according to an old Romanian saying: ``Do nothing about us
>> without us. ... All 2 related - Related web pages
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>>
>> Sincerely,
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>> David P. Dillard
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009, Frank Mulcahy wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Julie,
>>>
>>> As far as I am aware the 'nothing about us without us' phrase came from
> the
>>> initial meeting of DPI. It is still used by DPI and was used at all
> times
>>> during the negotitions for the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons
> with
>>> Disabilities.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
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