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Subject: Multinomial when N is not fixed

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Dan Rawding <[log in to unmask]>

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Dan Rawding <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:58:48 +0100

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I am estimating the number of adult salmon salmon which spawned in a stream 
from carcass tagging data.  I estimate the carcasses at large using a Petersen 
estimate and  carcass persistence using an exponetial decay function.  Weekly 
estimate is the carcasses at large minus carcasses at large that persist into 
the next week, plus the number of marked carcasses removed from the 
population. Assuming independence of the periods, and sampling with 
replacement I use the following code to estimatethe weekly population and 
sum them together to get the total population estimate (Popsum).  The code 
works but with high autocorrelation.

Model:{
#Vague Priors
for( i in 1 : N ) {                                         
	U[i]~dunif(T[i],100000) 
	q[i] ~dbeta(1,1)
	} 
	S ~dbeta(1,1)
	r ~dbeta(1,1)
	tau2 ~ dgamma(0.001,0.001)
#Estimate survival (S) from exponetial decay function
for (i in 1:NN){
	log_mu[i] <- x[i]*log((1-r)*S)+log(r/(1-r))
	ln_mM[i]~dnorm(log_mu[i],tau2)
	}
#Use Binomial to estimate weekly abundance U[i]
for( i in 1 : N ) {    
	R[i] ~dbin(q[i],T[i])
	C[i] ~dbin(q[i],U[i])	
#Estimate X[i] carcasses that persisted from previous weeks
	X[i] <- U[i] * S
#Estimate Weekly Escapement
	Pop[i] <- U[i] - X[i] + m[i]
}
#Sum of weekly estimates
	Popsum <- sum(Pop[])
}

# data 
list(N=18,NN=54,x=c
(1,2,3,1,4,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,
3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3), ln_mM=c(-1.38629,-1.79176,-2.48491,-1.09861,-
2.19722,-0.74444,-2.30259,-1.51583,-2.10788,-4.67283,-1.33685,-2.74084,-
3.58814,-4.68675,-1.34249,-3.2884,-4.89784,-1.3273,-2.25406,-3.58906,-
1.00764,-3.16231,-2.84385,-4.5486,-1.46546,-2.41644,-3.30374,-5.24965,-
1.32176,-1.97981,-2.90476,-5.34711,-1.25063,-1.89997,-3.2581,-1.2209,-
2.44957,-2.98856,-1.4929,-2.13726,-3.79549,-4.08317,-5.18178,-0.87184,-
1.81011,-2.75457,-4.00733,-1.76766,-2.46081,-2.00882,-3.30811,-0.87925,-
3.27714,-3.97029))
T[]	C[]	R[]	m[]
12	14	3	6
9	25	3	4
80	118	38	46
214	449	47	75
217	573	57	79
134	491	35	41
181	456	48	72
189	671	69	90
381	956	88	138
420	1222	112	193
234	1058	67	111
139	1388	41	60
178	1311	40	68
110	622	46	73
82	434	14	35
53	218	22	25
47	167	20	22
38	151	9	10
END

#initials
list(U=c
(2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2000,2
000,2000,2000,2000), q=c
(0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5), 
S=0.5, r=0.5,tau2=1))

However, I would rather put a prior on the total population estimate (Popsum)
and assume the weekly proportion (p) follows a multinomial distribution based 
on Pop[1:18] and use Dirichlet priors for p.  However, N (Popsum) for a 
multinomial in WinBUGS must be fixed. Therefore I tried adapting the code from 
the users manual "learning about the parameters of a Dirichlet"and the 
archives without success.  When running the second model (code below), I 
get the error message - "value of order binomial c[1] must be greater than 
zero" despite changes in priors and initial values.   On the surface this seems 
relatively straightforward but I am not getting it. I would appreciate any 
suggestions to this code?  Thanks in advance for your time!

Dan Rawding

Model:{
#Vague Priors
for( i in 1 : N ) {                                         
	#U[i]~dunif(T[i],100000) 
	q[i] ~dbeta(1,1)
	} 
	S ~dbeta(1,1)
	r ~dbeta(1,1)
	tau2 ~ dgamma(0.001,0.001)
#Estimate survival (S) from exponetial decay function
for (i in 1:NN){
	log_mu[i] <- x[i]*log((1-r)*S)+log(r/(1-r))
	ln_mM[i]~dnorm(log_mu[i],tau2)
	}
#Use Binomial to estimate weekly abundance U[i]
for( i in 1 : N ) {    
	R[i] ~dbin(q[i],T[i])
	C[i] ~dbin(q[i],U[i])	
#Estimate X[i] carcasses that persisted from previous weeks
	X[i] <- U[i] * S
#Estimate Weekly Escapement
	Pop[i] <- U[i] - X[i] + m[i]
}
#Sum of weekly estimates
	#Popsum <- sum(Pop[])

#Code to change to put priors on a single population
min <- sum(T[]) # min = all marked individuals
Popsum~dunif(min,50000) # prior for total population
for ( i in 1:18){
	U[i] <- p[i]/Popsum
	p[i] ~dgamma(alpha[i],1)
	alpha[i] ~dgamma(1, 0.001)
}
}
# data is same as above
#initials
list(Popsum=15000, q=c
(0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5), 
S=0.5, r=0.5,tau2=1))

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