Yes, David.
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:23:04 +0100, David Bircumshaw
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Jeffrey
>
>are you talking about 'writing workshops' where people produce work at the
>event led by a tutor?
>
>Because I'm not.
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>2009/8/12 Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Sorry for the confusion. I should have made myself clearer and spelled out
>> (as
>> Tim has done brilliantly) that I was talking about UK workshops.
>>
>> Tim is correct about UK workshops having a downer on poetry that
celebrates
>> language. In the UK, workshops view anything other than the use of
language
>> as a tool for description and confessional as perverse and a sign of bad
>> writing. Consequently, most of the poems produced at these workshops
have
>> a short-story, anecdotal quality.
>>
>> The terrible irony is that most workshop tutors I’ve come across say they
>> like
>> Bob Dylan’s lyrics circa 1966! Presumably, they like such lyrics as long as
>> they
>> don’t spill over into one's written poetry?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09:19 -0400, mairead byrne
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >Yes, it's not like that here, in my experience. I was responding more
>> >directly to Jeffrey though.
>> >Probably the particularity of cultural experience obstructs clear
>> >communication. So we not disagreeing so much as talking about different
>> >experiences and understandings.
>> >Mairead
>> >
>> >On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tim Allen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mairead:
>> >> >"I don't know what to say about this. For me poetry is about
language.
>> >> So abstract nouns are fine. Writing what I knew would be an excellent
>> >> recipe for writer's block. I think what we say on this subject is
>> informed
>> >> by personal history and mutually agreed shared history. It's not
>> >> comprehensive."<
>> >>
>> >> Of course it's not comprehensive, I said it was particular, to England,
>> >> over a certain period, a 'general drift' etc. I said there were
>> exceptions.
>> >> Don't you believe me then Mairead?
>> >>
>> >> You say poetry is about language. Well, I might kind-of agree with you,
>> but
>> >> I know that 90% of the people involved with poetry in UK would strongly
>> >> disagree, even now. For the 'workshop school' poetry was not language,
>> >> poetry was the disclosure of a heightened truth through the medium of
>> the
>> >> tool of language as prompted by an individual's deep response to an
>> >> experience - that sort of thing.
>> >>
>> >> Tim A.
>> >>
>> >
>>
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