You seem to be easily annoyed, then. I've noticed your lack of patience
not just with my posts but others' on different topics.
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:01:34 -0400, Mark Weiss
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Annoy is a subset of interest, I guess.
>
>At 07:41 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>>In the grand scale of things, it doesn't matter. I just thought it would
>>interest people--which it seems to have done.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:49:13 -0400, Mark Weiss
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >I was referring to your main argument.
>> >
>> >What a lot of fuss about so very little. Even if you were right, how
>> >much does it matter to Cris Cheek, Peter Riley, Peter Manson,
Maggie
>> >O'Sullivan, Tom Leonard, or Lee Harwood whether Britain
participated
>> >as fully as some other places in a brief moment in poetry?
>> >
>> >Mark
>> >
>> >At 06:37 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>> >>I didn't say the Poe thing was my main point, that was a
concession.
>>I
>> >>could probably find lots of evidence that Poe influenced the
>>symbolists
>> >>but it would be a distraction to my argument, which is that
British
>> >>poets had little to do with the development High Modernism.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:41:35 -0400, Mark Weiss
>> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >That din't appear to be your main argument. It's also highly
>> >> >debateable. You might want to look at the first volume of
>>Rothenberg
>> >> >and Joris' Poems for the Millennium for a more ecumenical
>>perspective.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mark
>> >> >
>> >> >At 05:35 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>> >> >>I concede to you on this particular point. Poe wasn't
influenced by
>> >>the
>> >> >>French--they were influenced by him! Symbolist poetry was
>>reliant on
>> >> >>his 'Philosophy of Composition'. They also were influenced by
his
>> >> >>imagery and poetic ideas which led to a conception of
a "pure
>> >>poetry".
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Still, my main argument stands: High Modernism was largely
a US
>> >> >>development.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:02:27 -0400, Mark Weiss
>> >> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >This may be ignorance on my part. What French poets'
value
>>did
>> >>Poe
>> >> >> >recognize? Les Fleurs du Mal wasn't published until a
decade
>>after
>> >> >> >Poe's death. Most of Hugo's poetry also postdates Poe.
How
>> >>available
>> >> >> >in the US was what had been published by 1849?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Baudelaire's translations of Poe's stories, by the way, are
>> >>wonderful.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Mark
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >At 01:49 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>> >> >> >>I don't know if Whitman's admiring Tennyson necessarily
>>supports
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>idea that in some way Whitman's poetry, is Tennysonian,
>>and,
>> >> >> >>therefore, particularly British influenced. To me it does
not
>> >>appear to
>> >> >> >>be. It seems to be more akin to folk-song and rural story-
>>telling
>> >> >> >>traditions.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Poe's poems may be better in French but his acuity in
>>recognizing
>> >> >> >>French poetry's value is more important in terms of the
>>American
>> >> >> >>development of what we call High Modernism.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>And Yeat's, of course, was influenced, also, by the French
>> >>Symbolists.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:11:12 -0700, David Latane
>> >> >> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >I think the reports of British poetry's demise have been
>>greatly
>> >> >> >>exaggerated; there's a reason Whitman referred to
Tennyson
>> >>as "The
>> >> >> >>Boss." Poe is notoriously better in French translation; to
place
>> >>him
>> >> >> >>above Yeats strikes me as ridiculous.
>> >> >> >> >I've encountered various manifestations of
the "westering"
>> >>motif--
>> >> >>we
>> >> >> >>Americans love it of course, but there's something abject
in it
>> >> >>appearing
>> >> >> >>so frequently among the British, when the poetic
>>achievement of
>> >>so
>> >> >> >>many 20th and 21st-century British poets is so high.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >David Latane
>> >> >> >> > http://www.standmagazine.org (Stand Magazine,
Leeds)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Jeffrey Side
<[log in to unmask]>
>> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >From: Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >> >> >Subject: "Has British Poetry had any significance since
>> >> >>Wordsworth?"
>> >> >> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >> >> >Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:30 AM
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >New blog post:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>"Has British Poetry had any significance since
Wordsworth?"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>This may seem an outlandish question, but I think it has
>>some
>> >>force
>> >> >> >>behind it. Of course, the influence of Wordsworth on
>> >>contemporary
>> >> >> >>British mainstream poetry need hardly be stressed, and I
>>have
>> >> >>written
>> >> >> >>extensively about this elsewhere. It is because of this
>>influence
>> >>that
>> >> >> >>most of the celebrated British poetry of the Twentieth
>>Century
>> >> >>tended
>> >> >> >>towards mediocrity when compared to American poetry of
the
>> >>same
>> >> >> >>period.....
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/
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