Annoy is a subset of interest, I guess.
At 07:41 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>In the grand scale of things, it doesn't matter. I just thought it would
>interest people--which it seems to have done.
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:49:13 -0400, Mark Weiss
><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >I was referring to your main argument.
> >
> >What a lot of fuss about so very little. Even if you were right, how
> >much does it matter to Cris Cheek, Peter Riley, Peter Manson, Maggie
> >O'Sullivan, Tom Leonard, or Lee Harwood whether Britain participated
> >as fully as some other places in a brief moment in poetry?
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >At 06:37 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
> >>I didn't say the Poe thing was my main point, that was a concession.
>I
> >>could probably find lots of evidence that Poe influenced the
>symbolists
> >>but it would be a distraction to my argument, which is that British
> >>poets had little to do with the development High Modernism.
> >>
> >>
> >>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:41:35 -0400, Mark Weiss
> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >That din't appear to be your main argument. It's also highly
> >> >debateable. You might want to look at the first volume of
>Rothenberg
> >> >and Joris' Poems for the Millennium for a more ecumenical
>perspective.
> >> >
> >> >Mark
> >> >
> >> >At 05:35 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
> >> >>I concede to you on this particular point. Poe wasn't influenced by
> >>the
> >> >>French--they were influenced by him! Symbolist poetry was
>reliant on
> >> >>his 'Philosophy of Composition'. They also were influenced by his
> >> >>imagery and poetic ideas which led to a conception of a "pure
> >>poetry".
> >> >>
> >> >>Still, my main argument stands: High Modernism was largely a US
> >> >>development.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:02:27 -0400, Mark Weiss
> >> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >This may be ignorance on my part. What French poets' value
>did
> >>Poe
> >> >> >recognize? Les Fleurs du Mal wasn't published until a decade
>after
> >> >> >Poe's death. Most of Hugo's poetry also postdates Poe. How
> >>available
> >> >> >in the US was what had been published by 1849?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Baudelaire's translations of Poe's stories, by the way, are
> >>wonderful.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mark
> >> >> >
> >> >> >At 01:49 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
> >> >> >>I don't know if Whitman's admiring Tennyson necessarily
>supports
> >> >>the
> >> >> >>idea that in some way Whitman's poetry, is Tennysonian,
>and,
> >> >> >>therefore, particularly British influenced. To me it does not
> >>appear to
> >> >> >>be. It seems to be more akin to folk-song and rural story-
>telling
> >> >> >>traditions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Poe's poems may be better in French but his acuity in
>recognizing
> >> >> >>French poetry's value is more important in terms of the
>American
> >> >> >>development of what we call High Modernism.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>And Yeat's, of course, was influenced, also, by the French
> >>Symbolists.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:11:12 -0700, David Latane
> >> >> >><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >I think the reports of British poetry's demise have been
>greatly
> >> >> >>exaggerated; there's a reason Whitman referred to Tennyson
> >>as "The
> >> >> >>Boss." Poe is notoriously better in French translation; to place
> >>him
> >> >> >>above Yeats strikes me as ridiculous.
> >> >> >> >I've encountered various manifestations of the "westering"
> >>motif--
> >> >>we
> >> >> >>Americans love it of course, but there's something abject in it
> >> >>appearing
> >> >> >>so frequently among the British, when the poetic
>achievement of
> >>so
> >> >> >>many 20th and 21st-century British poets is so high.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >David Latane
> >> >> >> > http://www.standmagazine.org (Stand Magazine, Leeds)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]>
> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >From: Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> >> >Subject: "Has British Poetry had any significance since
> >> >>Wordsworth?"
> >> >> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >> >> >Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:30 AM
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >New blog post:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>"Has British Poetry had any significance since Wordsworth?"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>This may seem an outlandish question, but I think it has
>some
> >>force
> >> >> >>behind it. Of course, the influence of Wordsworth on
> >>contemporary
> >> >> >>British mainstream poetry need hardly be stressed, and I
>have
> >> >>written
> >> >> >>extensively about this elsewhere. It is because of this
>influence
> >>that
> >> >> >>most of the celebrated British poetry of the Twentieth
>Century
> >> >>tended
> >> >> >>towards mediocrity when compared to American poetry of the
> >>same
> >> >> >>period.....
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>http://jeffrey-side.blogspot.com/
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