I couldn't agree more with your disagreement, Doug.
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Douglas Barbour
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> I couldnt disagree more.
>
> Understanding what youre doing, yes, but making something that you can
> paraphrase? The poem says what it says; if it could be said another way,
> then there's been a failure somewhere...
>
> & that's mine...
>
> Doug
>
> On 27-Aug-09, at 9:09 AM, Judy Prince wrote:
>
> 'Tis a teaching device, my dear Doug. If Andrew can figure out what he's
>> trying to say, then he will be ready to write the poem. If he cannot
>> figure
>> out what he's trying to say, then he can re-surname himself Ashbery or
>> Stoppard [if he's gonna tackle plays, natch] and possibly make as big
>> bucks
>> as they do [possibly, I say].
>> A magic poem-writer will always give us mystery, multi-meanings, layers to
>> delight in picking apart and picking up. This has nothing to do with
>> poem-writers understanding what they're saying. A curly-crispy frilly or
>> fat thick edge of gigantic surprise delivers a wallop to poem-writers
>> whilst
>> and after they write the poems, sometimes years afterwards. The rather
>> more
>> self-conscious [and during writing] 'surprises' tend to be rather less
>> effectively magical.
>>
>> My story and I'm sticking to it.
>>
>> genius critic with awesome eyes Judy
>>
>> 2009/8/27 Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> C'mon Judy, 'paraphrase'? That's the last thing any good poem wants or
>>> needs, surely...?
>>>
>>>
>>> A little mystery in art is a good thing, I think...
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> On 27-Aug-09, at 7:07 AM, Judy Prince wrote:
>>>
>>> Now make it clear to me what you're saying; i.e., paraphrase your poem.
>>>
>>>> Other folk may see immediately your point[s], but I don't see any except
>>>> little unconnected bits.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>
> Douglas Barbour
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> Latest books:
> Continuations (with Sheila E Murphy)
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> Wednesdays'
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> http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-from-aboveground-press_10.html
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> There are as many fools in the world as there are people.
>
> Sigmund Freud
>
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