I don't think use of images for news reportage works quite the same way as
copyright infringement for corporate and commercial work. Also
acknowledgement of copyright will be implicit within the story context.
2009/7/20 Peter Davies <[log in to unmask]>
> ...also, can somebody now explain what the BBC's use of one of the wiki
> images (which it has copied and hosted on it's own website) means in terms
> of copyright, or copyright infringement?
>
> If a museum even considers using an image, we have to do a full check on
> copyright, or at the very least make all reasonable attempts at tracking
> down the ownership rights.
>
> Does the BBC, in reporting the story as a copyright story, sort of admit
> that it is now infringing NPG copyright of at least one image through
> copying, saving and redistributing the image?
>
>
> Peter Davies
> Cultural Policy Advisor
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> HARRIS TONY
> Sent: 17 July 2009 17:07
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: NPG / Wikimedia
>
> Has anyone seen this article on the BBC website today? Wikipedia are
> starting to respond with some very interesting points . . .
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8156268.stm
>
> Tony
>
> New Media Officer & Photographer
> Government Art Collection
>
> 0044 (0)20 7580 9123
> www.gac.culture.gov.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Ottevanger, Jeremy
> Sent: 17 July 2009 10:48
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: NPG / Wikimedia
>
> Perhaps it's more about principle versus practical*. There are arguments
> either way if you take an approach based on principles e.g. that people
> should/shouldn't have an inalienable right to access and reuse content in
> public ownership. There are arguments either way if you take a practical
> approach concerning the economics of the issue, and how CH or other
> non-profits balance the needs of their public with their responsibility to
> remain financially viable and capable of performing more digitisation etc.
> These are two separate debates about the same dilemma but often we take an
> argument from one debate and use it to batter an argument from the other
> debate, which gets us in a muddle.
>
> Personally I pretty much have to sit on the fence until I can figure out
> whether principle or practical is more important to me, since I favour
> contradictory arguments for each. Some days I feel principled, some days I
> feel unprincipled. That doesn't mean I'm ever especially practical.
>
> Cheers, Jeremy
>
> * or, since practical is a principle, a clash of principles
>
>
>
> Jeremy Ottevanger
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> Before printing, please think about the environment
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy
> Powell
> Sent: 17 July 2009 10:28
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [MCG] NPG / Wikimedia
>
> Mike,
> I'm slightly confused... the letter does make a suggestion (albeit somewhat
> implicitly) for how "*best* to continue to make/save/equalise money in this
> networked environment", namely the hosting of medium resolution images by
> Wikipedia with proper attribution and links thru to (potentially paid-for)
> high resolution images hosted by the institution. It also gives some
> anecdotal evidence that this approach provides a sustainable way forward?
>
> In that sense, the letter does seem to address the issues that you want to
> see addressed.
>
> Are you disagreeing that this is a possible, and sensible, way towards
> addressing the changed "economics"?
>
> I agree this isn't quite about "free vs paid" but it is about how real
> costs are met most effectively. Right?
>
> Andy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike
> Ellis
> Sent: 17 July 2009 09:56
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: NPG / Wikimedia
>
> Hi Mia
>
> That's a good open letter, but the line that stands out to me is this one:
>
> "Digitization and the Internet are changing those economics"
>
> This is the core point. I don't think this is (or can be) a "free vs paid"
> argument which - once again - it seems to be being polarised into. The fact
> that "institutions need money" doesn't really need to be said. Of course
> they do. The fact that we (all, not just cultural institutions) are unclear
> about how *best* to continue to make/save/equalise money in this networked
> environment should surely be the focus...?
>
> Anyway. You're on holiday and I have work to do.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Mike Ellis
> Professional Services Group
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mia
> Sent: 17 July 2009 01:44
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: NPG / Wikimedia
>
> I've been avoiding this thread because I'm one of those people on holiday,
> but wanted to share this link to an 'open letter' on the Wikipedia Signpost
> on "Working with, not against, cultural institutions". It's definitely
> worth a read, and suggests that the looming stand-off between Wikimedia and
> cultural heritage institutions could be resolved:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-07-13/Open_letter
>
> For what it's worth, I've also blogged on the issue:
>
> http://openobjects.blogspot.com/2009/07/npgs-response-to-wikimedia-kerfuffle.html
>
> (Apparently I'm not very good at being on holiday!)
>
> cheers, Mia
>
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