Hey Karen
found myself in the strange role of being a drawer yet my job
description is saying that I teach painting. I make a joke of it now -
it always goes down well. I say I teach in Painting but I am not a
painter, but I draw. People who think that Painting has been sold down
the river because of Brit art and Conceptualism find that an easy way
of categorising me out or rather as someone who conforms the bleak
state of affairs for painting today....
I would say that in the (g)olden days of independent art and design
provision artists always learned to draw - life drawing, perspective,
printmaking etc - and it didn't do their work or development as
painters any harm. Quite the contrary.
Of course there is an overlap of territory, depending on the nature of
the drawing practice. If the work is using brushes or media associated
with painting than it really becomes difficult to separate the two. A
lot of people have referred to my drawing as painterly , and recently I
have developed a series of drawings using fixative brushed on rather
than sprayed, which creates a painterly wash effect.
Colour seems associated more with painting than with drawing - even
fine art drawing, though of course there is colour in drawing.
Are the Lascaux Caves drawings or paintings? Is ritualistic work like
cave "painting" categorisable that way?
Is drawing defined by line only - does that mean that as long as I use
a crayon or stick (ie oil bar) I am drawing, but as soon as I use a
brush and pigment I am painting?
Chinese painting : I remember that the editorial or preface to Leo
Duff's residency in China referred to her quite graphic drawing-based
work as painting.
Cultural differences for sure which can be interesting to explore.
Yet I also think that drawing is a distinctive category from painting,
and that's why a network like DRN is so useful to have. For me drawing
is a visual form of communication and research - it offers a range of
methodologies for design , fine art, science subjects - and so a
botanical drawing, an anatomic drawing or a site map drawn according to
conventions of the relevant discipline differs massively from intention
to the more lose, lateral or art-theoretically and performance based or
informed intentions of fine art practitioners and researchers: the
former subscribe to a tight regime of a methodology associated with the
subject area and are objectively assessable (same with CAD/
Perspectival drawing in design/ architecture) - the latter borrow from
the former at times (see Duchamp, Dick Whall, Christine Mackey etc
etc), parody, develop and change but are really much more independent
from all the rigour of subject specificity. That's why PhDs in Fine Art
, and why assessment of Fine Art student work are a huge can of very
adorable and likeable worms, but worms they are nevertheless for me.
Doris Rohr
Associate Lecturer Painting
FIne and Applied Art
University of Ulster
School of Art and Design
Belfast Campus
York Street
Belfast
BT15 1ED
http://www.ulster.ac.uk
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On 5 Jul 2009, at 12:54, Karen Wallis wrote:
> I would be interested in a Painting Network, to provide a forum
> rather than just a publication. But I would also like to ask if there
> is anyone else for whom painting and drawing are almost indivisible?
>
> Thanks for the tip on Turps Banana - I'll be taking a look.
>
> Karen Wallis
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> On 5 Jul 2009, at 12:30, Dan Roach wrote:
>
>> Hi Fran,
>>
>> Indeed Turps Banana is really the only dedicated painters publication
>> I can find too. I read issue one and subscribed immediately.
>>
>> Linda, thanks for the suggestion. I have been searching for a serious
>> forum surrounding painting for over twelve months now. Yet, I find on
>> the most part forums are aimed at and run by (with the greatest
>> respect) Sunday painters or individuals engaged in painting as a
>> hobby. Entities such as Turps Banana as Fran mentioned, and the DRN
>> have a thematic strand running through them in so much as there seems
>> to be a majority of practitioners who take what they do quite
>> seriously and see the benefit of exploring the underpinnings of their
>> work in order to move it forward. Frustratingly, the most enquiring
>> arenas also seem to be the most elusive. ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Fran Richardson
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Painting Network?
>>>
>>> Hi Dan
>>>
>>> My principle medium is charcoal but I have just started to paint
>>> again after a three year break and I too would be interested in such
>>> a forum. I have been subscribing to Turps Banana which can be
>>> bought fromhttp://www.turpsbanana.com . I like this publication
>>> because the editorial team and writers are all contemporary
>>> painters. It doesn’t carry any advertising so it is purely about
>>> painting and not pandering to the crazy ‘art market’. I stopped
>>> reading the mainstream art press a long time ago because I got tired
>>> of wading through pages of ads to find the features and then
>>> disappointed when painting hardly got a mention.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>> Fran
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> Fran Richardson MA
>>> Artist
>>> portfolio: http://www.franrichardson.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Dan Roach <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Reply-To: The UK drawing research network mailing list
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:00:19 +0100
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Painting Network?
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> Has anyone knowledge of any academic networks/forums/arenas that
>>> address
>>> painting and painting practices? I find the DRN an extremely
>>> valuable
>>> resource and wondered if there were any paint-centric counterparts,
>>> so to
>>> speak?
>>>
>>> D Roach
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