Sorry this has probably come up already, but we're about to
become desperate for a new stereo-capable machine, to be
attached to an existing linux server.
Is there a currently proven-to-work LCD stereo system for
linux that works with Coot and/or O as well as pymol? Or
should we recycle the aging old-fashioned monitors for now?
We don't have the time/personnel to do a lot of customizing
and tweaking.
Phoebe
---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 01:31:12 -0700
>From: Warren DeLano <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Best 3D stereo combination for Mac OS X
today
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Danny,
>
> Thank you (and Harry and Dirk) for pointing out the
> after-market PNY card -- I wasn't aware of that
> option.
>
> However, it is worth noting that PC users can access
> stereo 3D (via "3D Vision" IR emitter & glasses)
> with a $139 Quadro 300-series card whereas Mac users
> must spend 12X more for an ultra high-end
> 4000-series card (which will only work IF they
> happen to own a compatible Mac Pro model).
> Unfortunately, all the GPU power of an expensive
> ultra-high-end-card provides little (if any) benefit
> if all you're running is Coot, PyMOL, CCP4mg...
>
> Anyway, my point is that there is presently a
> significant (and possibly increasing) lack of parity
> for the Mac versus the other platforms with respect
> to stereo 3D. Furthermore, because of nVidia's
> introduction of their proprietary USB-based emitter
> (which syncs the 120 Hz LCDs), it isn't yet clear
> whether or these displays will work only on Windows,
> only on Windows and Linux, or indeed across all
> three platforms.
>
> Personally, I would want to know the answer to that
> question before spending $4-6k+ USD on a
> Quadro-equipped Mac Pro!
>
> Cheers,
> Warren
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danny Smith [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tue 6/30/2009 4:03 PM
> To: Warren DeLano
> Cc: Danny G Smith; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Best 3D stereo combination for
> Mac OS X today
>
> Warren,
>
> Thank you very much for the quick reply. I didn't
> see it directly
> with the mac, but this link still has it at the
> store,
>
http://store.apple.com/AppleStore/WebObjects/BusinessCustom.woa/9554008/wa/PSLIDfind=Quadro+FX+4800+for+Mac&wosid=7Q4ITeYWEwd92YhZCy32JoVJnH4
> . It is very expensive at $1,746.00. I also found
> this link,
>
http://www3.pny.com/NVIDIA-Quadro-FX-4800-For-Mac-P2815C409.aspx
> . It looks like on that page that it is tested with
> Mac OS X v10.5.7,
> on MacPro3,1 or MacPro4,1 or later - Note: MacPro1,1
> and MacPro2,1 are
> not compatible. I was just hoping to find a cheaper
> card. It does
> make me want to do more research with our sales rep.
>
> thanks,
>
> Danny G. Smith
> Sr. Programmer / Analyst
> Oklahoma Medical Research Foundation
> 825 N.E. 13th Street M.S. 11, Room E210.1
> Oklahoma City, OK 73104
> Phone: (405)271-8001 ext. 35535 Cell:
> (405)-202-6691
>
> On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Warren DeLano wrote:
>
> > Danny,
> >
> > Last I checked, Apple dropped the Quadro option
> from the Mac Pro,
> > and a
> > quick check on Apple.com seems to confirm that:
> >
> >
>
http://store.apple.com/us_smb_78313/browse/home/shop_mac/family/
> > mac_pro
> >
> > Lacking indications to the contrary, we can only
> conclude that OpenGL
> > stereo 3D support has an uncertain future on the
> Mac, whereas nVidia
> > appears fully committed to supporting it under
> Windows XP, Vista, and
> > Linux.
> >
> > 120 Hz LCDs are very close to being, but are not
> quite yet, a viable
> > option. Hopelly that will change in a matter of
> weeks, however, they
> > will likely require a quadro card, 3D vision
> emitter, and an
> > appropriate
> > driver from nVidia. Mac support for 120 Hz seems
> unlikely unless
> > nVidia
> > and Apple deliberately get together to create a
> joint solution. Due
> > to
> > proprietary aspects of each component (Mac OpenGL
> drivers, nVidia
> > emitters), this isn't something either Apple or
> nVidia could
> > accomplish
> > alone.
> >
> > Zalman LCDs can do stereo 3D (with reduced
> vertical resolution) but
> > they
> > require software modifications or a Quadro card
> with the updated
> > windows
> > or linux driver. Not all software packages
> support the Zalman display
> > on the Mac yet.
> >
> > My view is this: if having the best stereo 3D is
> important, then go
> > Linux or Windows -- but wait until the 120 LCD
> solution is released by
> > nVidia. If having a Mac is important, then expect
> limited access to
> > stereo 3D technologies.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Warren
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: CCP4 bulletin board
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >> Danny G Smith
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:59 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: [ccp4bb] Best 3D stereo combination for
> Mac OS X today
> >>
> >> I need to order a new computer for an
> investigator to replace a very
> > old
> >> SGI. They already have a lot of Mac experience,
> that that would make
> > an
> >> easy transition. They will primarily be using
> CCP4, CNS, and Main.
> > At
> >> this
> >> point in time what is the best video card monitor
> combination, I
> > assume a
> >> crt, or has any lcd come far enough to work ok?
> I have looked at
> > video
> >> cards, and apple has a PNY Nvidia Quadro FX 4800
> for Mac but it is
> > pricey.
> >> Will any other work?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >> Danny G Smith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
Phoebe A. Rice
Assoc. Prof., Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
The University of Chicago
phone 773 834 1723
http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/01_Faculty/01_Faculty_Alphabetically.php?faculty_id=123
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