Ali Of course EBM does not mean evidence based medicine (mere clinical
effectiveness), but economics based medicine (cost effectiveness) Alan
On Jul 13 2009, A. Tawfik-Shukor wrote:
>Completely agreed - healthcare nowadays prides itself at very efficiently
>providing ineffective care. Perhaps they need to start re-examining the
>evidence in their 'evidence-based medicine'.
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>Ali :)
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>On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Adam Oliver <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Ps. I meant focus on comparative effectiveness over comparative
>> cost-effectiveness, not over major health care reform. But probably
>> nobody read my message anyway, so I'll just say goodnight.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oliver,AJ
>> Sent: 13 July 2009 19:21
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: RE: WSJ attacks NICE again - but 62 US Medical Societies speak
>> out in favor of CER
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I think this is quite interesting. We have Alan telling us that
>> cost-effectiveness analysis is the only way to go, and Calum telling us
>> that if we (or rather you, Americans) go that route then the spectre of
>> 'rationing' will undermine major reform effort.
>>
>> Perhaps we should worry about value for money only when everyone is
>> covered? But, then, neither Congress nor the CBO would allow that, would
>> they?
>>
>> I think I would say focus on comparative effectiveness for the time
>> being, and remove from the system (if you can, and if there are any) any
>> ineffective interventions. It would be a start.
>>
>> Best,
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anglo-American Health Policy Network [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of Alan Maynard
>> Sent: 11 July 2009 09:16
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: WSJ attacks NICE again - but 62 US Medical Societies speak
>> out in favor of CER
>>
>> As ever necessary but not sufficient Simon! EBM stands for economics
>> based
>> medicine, not mere evidence based medicine! But gather the CBO
>> interprets
>> comparative effectiveness as cost effectiveness Alan
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10 2009, Stevens, Simon L wrote:
>>
>> >In case you didn't see it, attached is a constructive intervention in
>> >the comparative effectiveness debate from 62 medical societies. They've
>> >apparently now written to the Senate in defense of the idea...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Simon
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>> >Simon Stevens
>> >
>> >UnitedHealth Center for Health Reform
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>> >www.unitedhealthgroup.com/reform
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>> >>Sent: July-08-09 8:45 AM
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>> >>Subject: WSJ attacks NICE again
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