Richard
Who does? But, you're right - more Americans should contribute to the
list. I hope you've spurred them on. But you've got to admit - it makes
a change from Americans telling the rest of the world what they want...
-----Original Message-----
From: Anglo-American Health Policy Network [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Richard Scheffler
Sent: 14 July 2009 09:38
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: WSJ attacks NICE again - but 62 US Medical Societies speak
out in favor of CER
I have listened to enough about what Americans want
From
Non Americans
We donot want explicite
Rationing of any kind
Don't ask don't tell
Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Oliver <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:23:05
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: WSJ attacks NICE again - but 62 US Medical Societies speak
out in favor of CER
I know all this Alan. I've written about it quite a bit, sometimes with
you (I think). But it seems to me that you have to stay within the
bounds of the politically possible. Many, probably most, Americans,
don't want 'economics'-based rationing (heck, most Brits don't want it
either). That partly explains the late 1990s backlash against HMOs. I
guess, sometimes, it might not be an elephant, but if it looks like an
elephant, smells like an elephant, walks like an elephant, is afraid of
mice and has a great memory, it might as well be a bloody elephant
(that's my Sarah Palin-ism for the day).
Best,
Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: Anglo-American Health Policy Network [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Alan Maynard
Sent: 14 July 2009 03:31
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: WSJ attacks NICE again - but 62 US Medical Societies speak
out in favor of CER
Adam Rationing is universal! The Americans ration by willingness and
ability to pay.They discriminate against the poor whereas Europeans try
to
discriminate on the basis of whether medical care is any use to you as a
patient and taxpayer. Those who argue only UK-EU states ration care
should
be confined to institutions for the care of folk with unsound minds!
Alan
On Jul 13 2009, Adam Oliver wrote:
>Hi
>
>I think this is quite interesting. We have Alan telling us that
>cost-effectiveness analysis is the only way to go, and Calum telling us
>that if we (or rather you, Americans) go that route then the spectre of
>'rationing' will undermine major reform effort.
>
>Perhaps we should worry about value for money only when everyone is
>covered? But, then, neither Congress nor the CBO would allow that,
would
>they?
>
>I think I would say focus on comparative effectiveness for the time
>being, and remove from the system (if you can, and if there are any)
any
>ineffective interventions. It would be a start.
>
>Best,
>Adam
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Anglo-American Health Policy Network
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>On Behalf Of Alan Maynard
>Sent: 11 July 2009 09:16
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: WSJ attacks NICE again - but 62 US Medical Societies speak
>out in favor of CER
>
>As ever necessary but not sufficient Simon! EBM stands for economics
>based
>medicine, not mere evidence based medicine! But gather the CBO
>interprets
>comparative effectiveness as cost effectiveness Alan
>
>
>On Jul 10 2009, Stevens, Simon L wrote:
>
>>In case you didn't see it, attached is a constructive intervention in
>>the comparative effectiveness debate from 62 medical societies.
They've
>>apparently now written to the Senate in defense of the idea...
>>
>>
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Simon Stevens
>>
>>UnitedHealth Center for Health Reform
>>
>>www.unitedhealthgroup.com/reform
>>
>>
>>
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>>>Subject: WSJ attacks NICE again
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