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Re: "Previously unpublished"

From:

Angel Marquez <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc: poetry and poetics

Date:

Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:46:16 -0700

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>>Are you a poet?That is a great question. How would I know? I took a poetry
class once that made me think it wasn't for me. Rilke's "Letters To A Young
Poet" is one of my favorite reads. I write and have notebooks full of
thoughts. I write lyrics and record myself attempting to sing and if I meet
someone that strikes me as odd I give them the recording.

I don't know Judy. Aren't we all poets in some way shape or form?

I like what you wrote and it conjured a clear vision within me. Alison's
comment did as well.

I'm enjoying everyones thoughts on here. Very interesting & insightful.

Is poetry the urge to express ones self in words?

Than maybe I am a poet.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Thank you, Angel.  Much appreciated.
> Are you a poet?
>
> Judy
>
> 2009/6/2 Angel <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > Pretty
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Jun 2, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >  *Poetic Diary of a Clairvoyant Neanderthal in the Ardeche*
> >>
> >> "Didn't see that coming!"  "Who knew?"
> >> Bourgeois affectations, these parrots of parlance
> >> forgetting the node of Knowing
> >> sited above the back of the tongue, locked midbrain.
> >>
> >> We rooted useful otoliths,
> >> cosmic clocks under pterodactyl eggs, Eiffel's
> >> draped folly.  "If you invent it,
> >> you must continue to use it," one of you said.
> >>
> >> Indeed, through the scrumming rocksoil,
> >> the river delta drowns, our words like mouth-poison,
> >> we stayed here, and, staying, found
> >> we'd eat one another, until we learned to say no.
> >>
> >> You've deified mind and body
> >> the skin of cabernet grapes, silky light cocoons.
> >> Some of you reached and will reach more
> >> boredom with maps, mating, stars, studies, artful talk.
> >>
> >> You have always trusted your eyes.
> >> When they fail, you see the people you've never seen.
> >> You see prehistoric prophets
> >> gutting your cool fish, roasting your rosemaried lambs
> >> at each religion's guillotine.
> >>
> >> You think we cannot say your words
> >> though we've said them in night-rhyming jasmine blossoms,
> >> your heart-windows lifted in sleep,
> >> and we told the morningbirds to talk you awake.
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Judy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/6/2 Martin Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> >>
> >>  Judy, I cannot dissert on anything, as in person I dribble & forget -
> >>> what?
> >>> words, words. I do cook a decent curry & other things though. I usually
> >>> drink Côtes du Rhône as a good Saint Emilion is beyond my humble
> >>> pensioner's
> >>> purse. And I live nowhere near there but in the Ardèche near Vallon
> Pont
> >>> d'Arc, where they found the Grotte Chauvet in 1994, with the world's
> >>> oldest
> >>> cave drawings, if I am not mistaken. B/c me for address.
> >>> votre humble serviteur
> >>> mj
> >>>
> >>> Du siehst mein Sohn, zum Raum wird hier die Zeit.
> >>> Gurnemanz
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Judy Prince
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:05 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: "Previously unpublished"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Martin, please prepare your dissertations on Brathwaite et al as you're
> >>> preparing dinner for me and a friend who may be taking you up on your
> >>> invitation to visit...around 20 July.  You do live close to St.
> Emilion,
> >>> don't you?
> >>> Yippeee!!!
> >>>
> >>> Judy
> >>>
> >>> 2009/6/2 Martin Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>
> >>>  Perhaps I should have written "not so well known internationally any
> >>>>
> >>> more"
> >>>
> >>>> (though I stand open to correction here, being not so conversant with
> >>>> all
> >>>> the trends of the moment) and "in the Anglo-American poetry world
> Derek
> >>>> Walcott..." When I first started exploring modern poetry Brathwaite
> was
> >>>>
> >>> an
> >>>
> >>>> important figure - then the wind blew in the other direction and
> Walcott
> >>>> became more famous. Though confusingly the Chadwyck-Healey 20th
> Century
> >>>> English poetry CD-Rom only includes Brathwaite. So it goes, probably
> >>>> something to do with licensing fees....I personally think poetry is
> more
> >>>> like Hegel's burrowing mole of revolution and that - like great music
> -
> >>>>
> >>> it
> >>>
> >>>> takes time to reach those who become ready for it and unconsciously
> look
> >>>> for
> >>>> it. The DOA theory is erroneous because that vast monster, language,
> >>>>
> >>> takes
> >>>
> >>>> its time to ingest and regurgitate. But as Hal says, a poem only needs
> >>>>
> >>> one
> >>>
> >>>> reader.  In each case that is "me".
> >>>> mj
> >>>> Du siehst mein Sohn, zum Raum wird hier die Zeit. - Gurnemanz
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Martin Walker
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 11:13 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: "Previously unpublished"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bra(i)thwaite, Stephen? Methinks you got your West Indians mixed up
> ;-).
> >>>> Edward Kamau B. is as you say not so well known, but in the poetry
> world
> >>>> Derek Walcott has been much read and fêted. And has poetry ever - at
> >>>>
> >>> least
> >>>
> >>>> since bardic times - been much more than a diversion of the clerisy &
> >>>> purveyors of high-class entertainment to the ruling caste, he asked
> >>>> wickedly?
> >>>> mj
> >>>> Du siehst mein Sohn, zum Raum wird hier die Zeit. - Gurnemanz
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Stephen Vincent
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 3:06 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: "Previously unpublished"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I been thinking - and maybe others have, as well - that a poem does
> not
> >>>> exist in any of the public spheres (online, print, etc.) until it
> >>>>
> >>> 'breeds'
> >>>
> >>>> a
> >>>> review and/or critical response in the eye/ear in a similar or
> entirely
> >>>> separate public channel (online,print, etc.) And something continues
> to
> >>>> grow
> >>>> from there.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am thinking that most poetry, no matter how well or diligently
> written
> >>>> has become absolutely frivolous. Frivolous because it has no visible,
> or
> >>>> useful function in the culture(s). It's just dead on arrival! The
> >>>> mechanisms
> >>>> for making it so appear entirely devoid of vitality.
> >>>> At best Hermes is talking to Hermes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Until such public means (call and response) are constructed (again),
> no
> >>>> matter our skills and muse fidelities, in terms of any longer being a
> >>>> big
> >>>> public animal, we be sweeping salt. (i.e., there is much work to be
> >>>> done,
> >>>> and why the weekly poetry snap here can be and is valuable).
> >>>>
> >>>> Whatever his graces, flaws, etc. I suspect Padel was able for a bit to
> >>>> play her ruse on Braithwaite and make it persuasive was because not
> many
> >>>>
> >>> in
> >>>
> >>>> this world had read his poetry. Where issues of sexual harassment are
> -
> >>>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>> rightly so - required literacy and training in multiple (academic,
> >>>> corporate, etc.) environments. And consequently publicly persuasive
> and,
> >>>> for
> >>>> a time, ruled this discussion
> >>>>
> >>>> On this this joyous note!
> >>>>
> >>>> Stephen V
> >>>> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
>

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