Sorry if I sound nagging, but can everyone try and avoid just hitting the
reply BASAJISC button when the contribution to be made is essentially a
personal one, when it hould be the subject of a personal email reply.
Concern has been expressed about the way inboxes can get full of items which
are not of wider interest to the lsit group as a whole.

Thanks.

Sean

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Allison" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: New Exhibit at Smithsonian


Term ends on 22nd July so I'll have more time after this date.

Cheers

On 25 Jun 2009, at 15:50, Herman Ross wrote:

> Angela,
> Anytime you come across them or remember and are near a computer with
> internet is a great time for me.
> Thanks,
> Ross
>
> --- On Thu, 25/6/09, Angela Allison <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: Angela Allison <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: New Exhibit at Smithsonian
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 2:49 PM
>
>
> I could - I have biographical outlines, in electronic form, for these
> women - but have no time to route through to find them and I can''t recall
> the names offhand. It's material I gathered a few years ago now.
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2009, at 14:30, Herman Ross wrote:
>
> > Can you be more specific?
> > Ross
> >
> > --- On Thu, 25/6/09, Angela Allison <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > From: Angela Allison <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: New Exhibit at Smithsonian
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 1:35 PM
> >
> >
> > there are many instances of women who sailed (trnas-ocean as well as
> inland/coastal navigators) under the guise of being men. At least three of
> these are black.
> > There are at least three well know female pirates - all white.
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:47, Herman Ross wrote:
> >
> > > The two instances of your saying Man in place of human are a point
> but the other concept of mariners, which you used quite a few times,
> hopefully is not the reason for the criticism because mariners is generic,
> meaning a person who sails (or, even though I don't like to mention it
> much, ,motors) aboard vessels on, and these days, in the mar, sea.
> > >
> > > The reason I bring this point up is that when I first went to the
> Cayman Islands, some thirty years or so ago, to do the research for a book
> on the Caymanian mariner and their vessels, one of the first questions I
> asked was, "Can you direct me to a woman sailor?' and the response I
> continually received was that there were no women sailors in the Cayman
> Islands. On returning a few years later to the Caymans I happened to catch
> a few words in an interview with a Cayman Catboat builder and I asked him
> to claify what he had just said, which was that he had been taught to sail
> by Valma Hew. Some Caymanian names are what we usually consider a woman's
> name so I asked if she was a woman and he thought I was stupid for not
> knowing of Valma..
> > >
> > > Valma turned out to be in her seventies and sailed on the first
> Catboat in our first Catboat race, and won. But, the main point was that
> she referred me to a lot of other women who were sailors, but did not talk
> about it because of a lesbian stigma attached to women who sailed.
> > >
> > > I went for almost nine years not knowing how at ask the question
> about women who sailed in the Caribbean but I never stopped looking for
> them. In our sailing programmes girls and women were the first to jump
> aboard. The men thought it wasn't cool when you coulld be pressing a
> button and shooting off to the roar and rattle of an engine.
> > >
> > > Unfortnuately, many historians have left off women in the art,
> sport and occupation of sailing and sometimes their is the assumption that
> because there is no word such as mariness or seafaress or the like that
> one might not be referring to women in the term mariner. The fastest
> single-handed sail around the world is presently held by a woman, as is
> the more recent Race Around Britain, by an all female crew, and I would
> call them mariners.
> > >
> > > While we are on the subject and whoever is still reading this is
> still reading this- if you know of any women who sail, either during this
> time or times past please send me a reference. We are trying to start up a
> research programme and women under sail throughout history might be a
> category for the youth we hope to mentor.
> > >
> > > Ross
> > >

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