I agree Anne with your comments.
We developed our OH course last year and our stakeholders wanted an OH nurse who was able to function as an OH practitioner in an OH setting. They also wanted them to have entry onto the 3rd part of the register. We mapped our course over to the NMC standards and the Public Health Principles are woven into the course. As Anne rightly says OH has always been in the Public Health Family and the PH principles were easily mapped over.
Our students do work with relevant partners.
Rosemary.
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Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Public Health and OH education
Hello Gail
You make interesting points in the third para. With regard to us being public health practitioners. Those Occupational Health practitioners who carry out the full remit of an OH role have always been public health practitioners for precisely the reasons you highlight. A few years before the standards for SCPHN programmes were devised by the NMC I was the educationalist who was tasked by them to confirm that OHNs who had completed a UKCC or NMC approved course in OH had met the standards to gain entry to what became the SCPHN register, This process involved mapping learning outcomes of OHN curricula against the NMC public health standards. It was easy to demonstrate that there was a close match on every standard hence the possibility of migration for those holding a specialist practitioner qualification.
OHNs are definitely in the public health family as we utilise a strategic approach including contribution to policy development, working with populations, undertaking a needs assessment in order to identify "higher need" or "at risk" groups such as those with disabilities, those working on particularly hazardous processes etc etc. This is nothing new, we just haven't termed ourselves public health practitioners and haven't shouted about it. I disagree that we have isolated ourselves by being "specialists" and being precious about who else could perform our role. I would challenge an SCPHN registered health visitor/school or health protection nurse (eg infection control) to work effectively as an OHN without some additional educational preparation.
I would be interested in knowing more about this new horizon? A "new way of (public health) working" is frequently referred to (particularly by the NMC) but nobody has yet been able to convince me of any difference between this "new way" and how innovative, proactive OHNs have practiced to date particularly in regard to using an "up-stream" approach. Every service within which I have practiced has emphasised the need for collaborative working with other practitioners including infection control nurses (even when practicing outside the NHS), community psychiatric nurses, psychological trauma specialists (eg post traumatic stress), environmental health officers, disability specialists, access to work, GPs, radiation protection, waste management specialists the list could go on and on.
I will now put on my hard hat and flack jacket before I type that.... Student feedback at evaluation for our course seems to indicate that HV and SN students learn a lot from being with OH students, however, as a group OH students seem to indicate that they enjoy being with these other students but do not benefit as greatly by a transfer of knowledge. The comment about learning about "Baby P" in a previous email supports that assertion.
Anne Harriss
Course Director Occupational Health Programmes
London South Bank University
On 14/5/09 09:44, "Gail Collins" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> Nearly Friday!
>
> I have just handed in my final assignment for distance learning degree at
> Paisley now Unviserity of the West of Scotland with Marisa Stevenson
> It is recognised by the NMC and is based around the NMC competencies - it was
> hard work but i enjoyed it and now look at OH in a more objective way and how
> it fits long term into public health agenda etc
>
> It has one module in public health and is so generic that it can fit OH or
> health visiting because it talks about 'populations' / risks / functions /
> development etc but also has health needs analysis module, quality and audit
> and moral and legal issues as well as two double modules on occupational
> health - principles and supervision.
>
> I did wonder as I worked my way through it how non experienced OHA were
> getting on as my OH experience helped me fit OH into the public health module
> - The less positive points is it didnt cover practical issues like how to
> undertake spirometry , audiometry, how to write a report - (the basics of OH)
> - so fairly new or prospective OHAs werent getting a grounding but I guess
> with the advent of technicians there will be less need of that? There wasnt as
> much mention of HSE and legislation as I felt it should have had.
> The more positive points -it was geared towards Public health and co-operation
> with other fields - I agree with that - we've isolated ourselves too much by
> being a 'specilaiity' and 'no-one can do our job its so hard to define' that
> its time we found a slot within the new horizon and no I havent been brain
> washed I thought this before the course!
>
> If anyone wants to talk about doing the distance learning route at UWS then
> please feel free to contact me
>
> Kind regards
> Gail
>
>
> Gail Collins
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> Occupational health
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> "Maguire, Kevin" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent by: [log in to unmask] 14/05/2009 08:51
> Please respond to Occupational Health mailing list
> To: [log in to unmask]
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Is Wolverhampton axing it's OH
> course?
>
>
> What other courses are there out there? We asked this a number of years ago
> but we could take this opportunity to update the list for dedicated
> Occupational Health courses and other courses on work-related health.
>
> I would really like to hear from overseas list members on this, as well: we
> might make more opportunities for links and exchanges.
>
> Kevin
>
> Dr. Kevin MAGUIRE CPsychol MCIEH, Senior Lecturer in Public Health, Division
> of Criminology, Public Health and Policy Studies, School of Social Sciences,
> Nottingham Trent University, Burton Street, Nottingham, NG1 4BU. UK.
> Telephone ++ 44 (0) 115 848 5540
>
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Claire Gilliam
> Sent: 13 May 2009 16:36
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Is Wolverhampton axing it's OH course?
>
> Dear All
>
> In light of the previous emails I thought I would let you know that the
> University of Birmingham runs a MSc in Occupational Health. The programme can
> be taken full or part time and many of the modules can be taken on a
> stand-alone basis.
>
> The programme is organised by the Institute of Occupational and Environmental
> Medicine (IOEM) and is designed to meet the needs of post graduate training in
> the prevention and control of work related ill health and to understand the
> issues of ill health and its effect on work in the 21st Century. It is open to
> graduates of relevant first degrees and those with appropriate work
> experience. This includes doctors, nurses, hygienists, health and safety
> personnel and graduates in relevant disciplines. The course has been
> established for over 15 years with over 200 students completing the programme
> from 10 different countries.
>
> If you would like more information about the programme or the individual
> modules please have a look at the link below:
>
> www.mds.bham.ac.uk/occhealth <http://www.mds.bham.ac.uk/occhealth> <http://www.mds.bham.ac.uk/occhealth>
>
> For more information about the IOEM please go to the following link:
> http://www.pcpoh.bham.ac.uk/ioem/ <http://www.pcpoh.bham.ac.uk/ioem/> <http://www.pcpoh.bham.ac.uk/ioem/>
>
> Kind regards
> Claire
>
> Claire Gilliam
> PGT Marketing Officer
> College of Medical and Dental Sciences
>
>
>
>
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Frank Oakes
> Sent: 13 May 2009 16:31
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Is Wolverhampton axing it's OH course?
>
> I am sad to hear this but even back in 1991 we complained that there was not
> enough practical emphasis on the courses. I stopped at the diploma level and
> went to the Institute of Occupational Health at Birmingham University to
> complete a post grad diploma in Occupational Health and Safety and it has been
> much more useful than sitting with health visitors debating the theory of
> health....IMO.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> From: Milne Campbell <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009 3:24:17 PM
> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Is Wolverhampton axing it's OH course?
> I have heard that Wolverhampton is stopping to run it's OH course,
> Having completed their course last year, graduating in February,
> I very much enjoyed the course,
>
> Was a little frustrated about the lack of practical links / application to
> practice,
> But a lot of this falls back to the demands of the NMC for part 3
> registration.
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Campbell
>
> Mr Campbell Milne RN, SCPHN(OH)
> Occupational Health Nurse Specialist
> Gloucestershire NHS OH Service
> 08454 225165
>
>
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