In the U.S. when you ask people to self-describe their ethnicity--with a blank--people use a much wider variety of terms than when we present them with choices. Even the "standard" terms we use in the U.S. such as Black or African American, and Latino or Hispanic, WHite or Caucasian, are hotly contested. Leaving a blank, people are far more creative and seem to feel able to describe their ethnicity with an exactitude that the standard terms do not offer. I can look up the reference if someone really needs it.
Lisa FOntes, Ph.D.
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>Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:39:13 +0100
>From: "Lloyd-Shogbesan Ben (5QE) Oxfordshire PCT" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Ethnicity monitoring question
>To: [log in to unmask]
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> I am also intrigued by the 'other' category. I
> wonder if there is any data where people have been
> asked for further clarification such as 'please
> state or please explain?' I would be really
> interested in such information.
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>
> Ben Lloyd-Shogbesan
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> From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the
> UK [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Sarah Toule
> Sent: 20 May 2009 10:03
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> Subject: Re: Ethnicity monitoring question
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> I was also interested in the multi-ethnic islands
> term- and happy to see it existed...somewhere! I am
> (half) Seychelloise (where most people are a mix of
> white, African, Chinese and Indian!) and half
> English. I have dual Seychellois-British Nationality
> and my ethnic background is half white, ¼ Chinese,
> ¼ African. So I always find ethnicity forms very
> difficult to answer, as I never know which category
> applies to me. However in terms of one of the
> reasons for monitoring ethnicity, I often simply
> tick white British, as I have no need for tailored
> services, but I know this does not give a true
> representation. But then again, none of the other
> categories do either!!
>
>
>
> I do not know what the solution would be though, as
> you say Jane, we cannot list every ethnicity.
> 'Ethnicity' is becoming more and more complex, with
> people having a myriad of mixed ethnic backgrounds,
> it would be impossible to cater for every
> combination. But I am finding the discussion very
> interesting!
>
>
>
> Sarah Toule
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> Project Manager (African Caribbean Communities)
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> From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the
> UK [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Jane Fountain
> Sent: 19 May 2009 17:35
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Ethnicity monitoring question
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>
>
> A good illustration, especially all the religions in
> there - and the biggest category in the table is
> still 'any other group'!
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>
>
> So ... do you give a list of every ethnicity in the
> world (wonder how many there are.......) so that
> people are still forced to choose? Or do you ask
> them to define themselves and get a list like this,
> parts of which are useless for ethnic monitoring
> purposes?
>
>
>
> Am intrigued by 'multi-ethnic Islands' - can anyone
> explain?
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>
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>
>
> Jane Fountain
>
> Professor of Substance Use Research
>
> International School for Communities, Rights and
> Inclusion (ISCRI)
>
> University of Central Lancashire
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> Preston, UK
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> tel: (0)1772 892 780
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> From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the
> UK [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of GM Polato [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 19 May 2009 17:17
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> Subject: Re: Ethnicity monitoring question
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> Hi Michael,
>
>
>
> I thought the question covered the point that
> individuals often will pick "Other" when they feel
> that the existing choivces ill fit their own view of
> their own ethnicity - and that vision is often
> interlaces with nationality, religion and culture
> too. There is an example below, extracted from a
> 2001 Census table on Ethnic Group (Most Detailed
> Categories) for persons (England and Wales):
>
>
>
> Vietnamese 17,553
> Japanese 34,902
> Filipino 37,590
> Malaysian 10,003
> Buddhist 20
> Hindu 898
> Jewish 12,233
> Muslim 2,076
> Sikh 7,921
> Arab 45,027
> Other North African 19,204
> Ethnic Middle Eastern
> Group (excluding Israeli; 37,397
> Iranian and 'Arab')
> Israeli 3,846
> Iranian 32,361
> Kurdish 12,009
> Moroccan 5,221
> Latin American 15,959
> South and Central 26,529
> American
> Multi-ethnic Islands 26,882
> Any Other Group 60,539
> Other 0
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>
>
> There are around 60 other categories and subgroups
> in the rest of the table; many people will fit their
> own perception of themselves under another ethnic
> category. The interesting point is that there
> were 408000 people in E&W in 2001 who were either
> unable or unhappy to place themselves either under
>
> White
>
> Mixed
>
> Asian or Asian British or
>
> Black or Black British.
>
>
>
> This could start another long and happy discussion,
> but probably another day...
>
>
>
> Giovanna Maria
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> --- On Tue, 19/5/09, M Banner
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> From: M Banner <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Ethnicity monitoring question
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009, 3:55 PM
>
> Apologies if I have got completely the wrong end
> of the stick here. I understood the initial
> question was about which minority ethnic groups
> fall within the category 'ethnic other'. I would
> be very interested to hear if another ethnic group
> exists in addition to those currently recognised.
> Could it be that some people who are completing
> the form and classifying themselves as 'ethnic
> other' are confusing ethnicity with nationality?
> I was aware that many databases and software
> systems used within the NHS to collect ethnic
> monitoring information have additional sub-sets to
> collect further information, normally the
> nationality of people, who for example tick the
> 'white other' box.
>
>
>
> I am sure contributors will not be slow to tell me
> if I have indeed got this wrong!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Downie Jennifer
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:53 PM
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> Subject: Re: Ethnicity monitoring question
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> I am not aware but would be really interested in
> the outcome.
>
>
>
> Jennifer Downie
> Equality & Diversity Manager
> NHS Norfolk
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> 01603 257252
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> 07901 673958
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> From: Health of minority ethnic communities in the
> UK [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Tracey Bignall
> Sent: 19 May 2009 10:16
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Ethnicity monitoring question
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>
>
> Hello All
>
>
>
> We are involved in a project looking at the use of
> primary care services by people who are classified
> as 'ethnic other'. This involves breaking down
> the category to find out which minority ethnic
> groups are within it.
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>
>
> Is anyone aware of any similar work and how the
> information was used for developing services?
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>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Tracey
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>
>
> Tracey Bignall
>
> Policy and Practice Officer
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> Race Equality Foundation
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> Unit 35 Kings Exchange
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> Tileyard Road
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> London N7 9AH
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> Direct line: 020 7619 6225
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> Website: www.raceequalityfoundation.org.uk
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> The Race Equality Foundation was formally the REU.
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