Dear John, Thanks for keeping the debate going.

No-one responded to my comments below which I have cut and pasted from an earlier email - which on reflection I can see may be seen as too meek and mild - ( I guess here I am taking the sort of position Jonathan Porrit takes in his book Capitalism as if the world matters)  and distracting from the real need to storm the palace. But which palace? Whose palace? And how might we do the storming? I do feel angry about the inequalities that underpin unsustainable human functioning and want to take action  as a community psychologist along with others - and feel we tie ourselves up in knots on this list. But maybe tying ourselves in discursive knots is the best we can do - and is better than right intentioned action that simply perpetuates inequalities and injustice.

I take issue with Craig's implicitly expected answer to the question :  don't we realise that climate change serves vested interests?- ( ie aren;t we too stupid/naive to realise that vested interests are now at play in promoting the idea of climate change) . well, in one sense, of course - all ideas serve the interests of some, and the biggest ideas are always  turned to serve the interests of the haves more often than the have nots, because that is how ,without critical reflection ( and I would add without compassionate reflection, except that it's hard for me to use caring sharing words on this list without risking being blown out of the water for being a clinical psychologist!)  human societies tend to function. . .( though I would like us to follow through more on Mark's question about how we create new social identities around sharing, caring, mutuality etc etc - and I think that aspects of women 's ways of being, and perhaps the ways of being of others who are socially marginalised/disadvantaged - at least, of those who don't collude with current power bases,  have a lot to offer here) -

The trouble is that ignoring the reality of climate change ( ie what some would call climate change denial; and  I am taking here  a critical realist position, not a social constructionist/constructivist one) disproportionately serves the interests of the more powerful groups in society at this point in human history . Once climate change business becomes big - ( and in the short/ medium term, pending the dismantling  of capitalism - and I don't see that happening any time soon despite the current economic mess  - , climate change business ( and politics)  becoming big seems humanity's'  current best hope)   then at that point I will be ready to support the argument that the idea of climate change serves the vested interests of the more powerful  - but we are not at that point yet. Unless someone can persuade me otherwise?

Annie

-----Original Message-----
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Its all gone strangely quiet. Not sure where the discussion is with this point but I'd just like to throw in that I've been thinking about what Craig said below and the notion of dominant discourses serving vested interests in climate change seems to be everywhere all of a sudden. Certainly in terms of consumption it can seem to be a strategy to get people to part with more money for goods because they're local or ethical (whatever that means). The discourse around fair trade has had a similar function for some time (we pay much more for the item than the fair trade premium).

This is not to say that there may not be value in localism (though its a complicated issue) or fair trade or whatever but these badges also often seem to be a way of encouraging us to consume new things which are branded better or as new "necessities" and are frequently expensive. And presumably the exctement of having a new fairly traded, eco-cotten t-shirt might also dent the will to storm the palace.

The whole issue of local consumption and local action against climate change seems to get thornier the more one looks at it. In particular it seems to pose a question of who is in ones community. The person down the road or a struggling textile worked in Cambodia (which has a struggling textile industry).

John

________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan, Year/Academic Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development, Canterbury Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge Wells Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778 [log in to unmask] www.salomonscaspd.org.uk www.canterbury.ac.uk

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Sent: Tue 28/04/2009 10:35 AM
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John, I don't have any fancy theories in mind - just the notion that those in charge have a vested interest in distracting the rest of us from their agendas. They can make the middle classes distracted via guilt (Child Guidance clinics in the 20s were great at this, somehow pursuading mothers that it was up to them if their children were non-productive - non-oppressed - citizens, a movement that spawned countless child psychology experts - many of whom had NO children eg, Winnicott) - obviously so called climate change has a similar effect; all that recycling instead of storming the palace. Working classes are distracted by a desperate search for work - which we are told time upon time is good for us (actually much better for the factory/call centre/arms industry owners). I have no idea what distracts those in charge - other than a pressing need to think of the next distraction.
Craig

--- On Sat, 18/4/09, John McGowan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


        From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
        Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity
        To: [log in to unmask]
        Date: Saturday, 18 April, 2009, 8:42 AM


        Hi Craig, you've mentioned this a couple of times now and it would  be
        interesting to hear more about it. Both the notion that human activity has
        limited influence over climate (I presume you might have someone like Bjorn
        Lomborg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg in mind?) and the kind
        of vested interests crerading and plugging this concept might serve.

        John

        ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan, Year/Academic
        Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development, Canterbury
        Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge Wells
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        Does ANYONE on the list understand that the "idea" of climate change
        serves vested interests?
        Craig

        --- On Fri, 17/4/09, John McGowan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


                From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
                Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change -
        room for equality and diversity
                To: [log in to unmask]
                Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 9:19 PM


                A little late to this. The prospect of a conference on these issues sounds
        very
                interesting. I'm genuinely curious as to the contribution psychological
                thinking can make in these areas. Had a look at the Manchester website. It
        looks
                as if it is quite conprehensive in some ways. It does however seem to place
                grerat faith in local production of commodities as a way of reducing carbon
                emmissions. This often seems quite questionable. My view of this is a little
                skewed I think by my local transition town group (Lewes in East Sussex) who
                basically seem to be a club of middle class people who really struggle to say
                anything relevant to the wider community and place all thier faith in the
        notion
                of local purchasing and a large (and incredibly widely publicised) LETs scheme
                which seems to have little demostrable value beyond novelty.


                I also wonder about if a climate change adgenda with a social justice one as
                the two may not always be the most natural bedfellows. Obviously the reality
        is
                that poor people tend to get disproportionately screwed by climate change but
                the debate often tends to scapegoat them too (flying too much, or shopping in
                ASDA os whatever etc). It leaves me curious as to how, short of taking a
                completely dystopian view that the collapse of many familier entities is
                imminent, is is possible to involve wider communities in initiatives relevant
        to
                them. Especially in tough economic times wiere the low road to ASDA may look
                more attractive.

                There is a case to be made that a number of capitalist tools such as managed
                markets might have some controbution to make if the caps can be brought low
                enough. This kind of tool does seem to have had a powerful effect on acid
        rain.

                Anyway, friday night and perhaps am not making much sense.

                John



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                Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development, Canterbury
                Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge Wells
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                Yes. Following though on this link, you can find

                in an interview reported on BBC home page, Ian Stewart from University of
                Plymouth School of Earth, Ocean and Environmental Science who presented BBC
                Earth: Climate Wars, saying stuff that surely should give us pause as
                (community) psychologists and get us thinking about our role/contribution ( or
                lack of so far)  (I've cut and pasted):



                If society is to make any progress on effectively dealing with climate change
                at a regional or global level, what is imperative is that ordinary people help
                build a political climate at grass-roots level that accepts the problem exists
                and demands some serious actions by business and government. For me, that
        begins
                with people accepting that there is no hiding place left in the science - the
                overwhelming consensus of the vast body of scientists that study climate is
        that
                the trends we are seeing in the air, the oceans and in our ecosystems are
                entirely consistent with the theory of global warming, while the alternatives
                offered by sceptical scientists - even the much heralded role of the Sun - so
                far fail that test.



                Blaming scientific uncertainty is now not an option to delay action. Sure,
                actions by individuals can make a difference, but real progress will only come
                when individuals come together with a strong, common voice to demand that
                rhetoric turns into regulation. And that's where I see my role - in
                convincing ordinary folk that this is an issue that they should care about,
        not
                because it will affect them but, more insidiously, it will be their legacy to
                their kids and grandkids.


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                On 4/15/09, CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

                The "idea" of climate change is indeed promoted by individual action
                with vested interest (selling tropical plants in Halifax, anyone). But
                "climate change" happens in cycles far removed from human endeavour.
                The climate is way beyond human control or influence - unlike newspaper
        articles
                which are wriiten by over-excited "experts" getting their slice of
                cake.

                Craig

                --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


                        From: David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>
                        Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change -
                room for equality and diversity
                        To: [log in to unmask]
                        Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 11:53 PM



                        Hi Craig,



                        Obvious but ... to assert that destructive climate change has been brought
                about by the behaviours  (or actions as I prefer prefer) of individual people
                and that it can be reversed or prevented from getting even worse by
                psychologists changing the behaviour or action of individual people one at a
                time, as 'institutional' psychologists do, even if they were effective
                in doing so which, as you say, is not the case, is not only silly but hugely
                problematic at practical, theoretical and ideological levels. That needs
                pointing out ... but we claim as 'community' psychologists to know
                something about less problematic ways of deploying psychology. So why not do
                both through a uk ccp climate change initiative? No point in pointing at the
                mainstream acritical institutional psychologists saying 'told you so'
        as
                the water covers all our heads?



                        By the way I am not sure psychologists need to know a lot about behaviour
                change to be complicit in it happening ... the roles of psychology in
                governmentality and control of behaviour / action) have been pretty
        persuasively
                spelled out by Foucault and Rose in my view.



                        David





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                        From: CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]>
                        To: [log in to unmask]
                        Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 23:01:19
                        Subject: Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality
        and
                diversity

                David, Psychologists know FUCK ALL about behaviour change. As you know, it
        just
                happens, and we don't know why (even if you were to believe in the rather
                silly concept of "why"). To claim they know might give them 5
        minutes
                of fame but, hey, look what just happened to "financial experts"

                Cx

                --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


                        From: Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]>
                        Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change -
                room for equality and diversity
                        To: [log in to unmask]
                        Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:56 PM

                        Hi Craig,     I agree that any achieved progressive change would be wonderful
                and worth more  than any number of futile gestures. I agree that any small
                achievable change re  psy complex tyranny would be really worthwhile but think
                any small achievable  change re climate change would be worthwhile too (both
        may
                be possible  simultaneously given some psy-complexperimenters' insistence
                that climate  change can be addressed through behaviour change)  - we would
        not
                need to  address the whole problem of climate change (or psycomplex tyranny)
        in
                order to  achieve something worthwhile? However there seems to be enthusiasm
                         on the list  to see what we can offer distinctively as community critical
                psychologists in  relation to climate change so why not go for that as a
                starting place?       David    ________________________________    From: The
        UK
                Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG NEWNES  Sent: Tue
                14/04/2009 22:00  To: [log in to unmask]  Subject: Re: UKCP
                Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and  diversity
                Some time ago I suggested that the list considers putting effort (not talk)
                into ONE small achievable change. Climate Change seems a little - er - big and

                way outside of human, let alone Community Psychology control. It's not as
        if
                 there aren't countless groups protesting, marching, publicly debating the

                economics of American and post-industrial exploitation etc, etc. Agreeing on
        ONE
                 focus does not take away from the need to address process, mutual respect and
                so  on but it might make a small difference -
                         to us and the wider community. We  could, for example, as a group voacalise
                the need for a ban on psychiatric and  psychological diagnoses. We could fight
                for ONE example of the PSYcomplex's  tyranny to be overturned - e.g.,
        there
                is a case in Holland of parents trying to  have their son killed (euthanased)
        on
                the basis he is diagnosed with ADHD - this  has been in the courts for three
                years and has yet to appear in the UK press. In  a way, it doesn't matter
                which target we aim at, as long as it is  achievable. After all cling film was
                originally designed exclusively for the  Apollo missions - and now it's
                taken over the world.  Craig    --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer
                <[log in to unmask]> wrote:              From: David Fryer
                <[log in to unmask]>    Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP
        Conference
                addressing climate change - room  for equality and diversity    To:
                [log in to unmask]       Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:36 AM


                               Dear Jacqui            I will reply separately to the two issues so
                they  have different subject  lines for ongoing discussion              In
        case
                it was not clear I agree that equality and diversity are absolutely  key
        issues
                in relation to climate change and would hope and expect that they  would be
                addressed either directly or indirectly in all conference debates. But  I am
                suggesting we try to focus debate at our conferences rather more in the
        future
                than in the past. I suggest a community critical conference focusing on
        climate
                change which addressed issues of equality, diversity, participation,  power,
                ideology, praxis, poverty in relation to climate change would be exciting  and
                potentially more productive re leading to action than our meetings have
        tended
                to be recently. I think a title directing people to the focal issue of
        climate
                change from a community critical perspective and some fairly tight  reviewing
        of
                submissions could help produce a more
                         focused and more effective  conference whilst still making room for all.

                     Of course we will all have ideas and it will be the conference organisers
                ...  Annie, Lisa and their colleagues who should decide on what form the
                conference  takes if they decide they are going to proceed but I took Annie to
                request list  people to contribute their ideas etc so am glad you and I are
                doing so                Since my earlier message I heard of a conference which
                may also be of interest  not so much because many of us will be able to
        present
                actually or virtually  but because it illustrates a different and interesting
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                         ________________________________     From: jacqui lovell
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                Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 5:01:29         Subject: Re: UKCP Conference
                addressing climate change from a community  critical standpoint?
                "tetchy" David, I prefer to think that from the frustration comes
        the
                growth!                I agree with David that a focus may be good but can we
                leave room for equality  and diversity in this as well please Annie, I like
        your
                original title,  "equality, sustainability and community well-being"
                as this has room  for all.                    Jac

                       ________________________________      Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:45:58
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        [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
                UKCP Conference addressing climate change from a  community critical
        standpoint?
                        To: [log in to unmask]                   Dear Annie,

                    I think your tentative suggestion of the UKCP Conference
                         addressing climate  change from a community critical standpoint is really
                valuable. We seem to have  got into a pattern of organising our conferences to
                be as wide in topic as  possible so that anyone interested in CP could present
                whatever they are doing.  That is well intentioned but leads to very general
                conference conference  reflected in all inclusive titles (even 'Equality,
                Sustainability and  Community Well-Being' verges on that). That has been
        OK
                up to a point but we  have had some rather unfocused and sometimes defensive
        or
                even tetchy meetings.  I think it is worth trying a different tack. I think
                going for a specific  focused problem such as climate change, ensuring it is
                addressed searchingly  from a community critical psychology perspective, and
                designing it from the  start to be ecologically sound in process (e.g.
        reducing
                its carbon footprint)  and action oriented in outcome, would be good. In line
                with our approach, this  can be
                         inclusive in the sense that people need not be experts in climate change  to
                contribute but can apply whatever experience, interests and skills they have
        to
                climate change issues. For example there has been a lot of interest in the
        NHS
                and 'the market' on this list lately and some might like to think
        about
                how the NHS and/or market are related to climate change.  Others might be
                interested in interrelations between poverty and climate change ... you might
                remember that Cathy McCormack talked to us at one conference about radical
                tenants' activism in relation to damp housing, health and mental health
                which also addressed climate changes (the poorest in Glasgow were spending
                massive proportions of their inadequate benefit to heat the sky yet shivering
                and suffering damp related illness and misery. Others with participatory
        working
                 skills might like to think how to deploy them re climate change. Others can
                develop effective praxis in related to
                         climate change. Others can critique the  discipline of psychology in
        relation
                to climate change etc. I think there is a  lot of important international
                lessons to learn. For example Trisha Conway  taught me recently that middle
                class climate change activists have much to learn  from the US environmental
                justice movement within which poor Americans, often  black, have collectively
                fearlessly challenged the (re) location of their  communities in ecologically
                toxic sites.                 I strongly support you in thinking about hosting
                the next CP conference in  Devon in Spring 2010 but when you are thinking
        about
                dates please remember the  III International Conference on Community
        Psychology
                will be held in Puebla,  México, from 3rd to 5th June 2010 please try to
        avoid
                a clash of dates as some  - including me - might want to attend both. Just
                before or just after would be  great (for me)             David
                ________________________________      From: Annie
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                     Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
                market-based  NHS - BY 30 APRIL                   Dear David and all,

                Seems unlikely  to be a co-incidence, as you say - frustrating process and v
                unsettling as you say re mainstream academic and applied psychology uncritical

                position re climate change  - and it sounds from what you say that the latest
                planned BPS event will, true to current BPS form, be pretty uncritical...be
                great if we as community psychologists could assemble a more critical take
                (beyond " large scale behaviour change projects" ), that puts
        together
                 the social inequalities agenda, along  with the  climate change/peak oil
        issue
                and economic collapse ( linking perhaps with some of the more critical medics
                who are writing on this topic using public health arguments as their way in) .
        I
                 thought
                         that mark's essay on the site he posted us to came the closest yet  of
                anything I;ve read to do that - ( do read it everyone who is interested in
        this
                debate!); also there is a  good chapter on this in Richard Wilkinson's/
                kate Picket's  Spirit Level isnt there  .                 A community
        psych
                conference might be a good way to take a more critical  stance... lisa thorne
                and i are  hoping to be able to announce via this list  by  end of April that
        we
                would be willing and able to host next conference  in Devon  spring 2010, but
        we
                are still not  certain ... meantime, at this pre-planning  stage - any
        comments
                re whether this would make a good conference theme very  welcome.: we are
                thinking so far  something along the lines of "equality,  sustainability
                and community well-being".            Good wishes,           Annie

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        thanks
                Annie  Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say  no to a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL

                           Dear Annie and  everyone on this list,                Annie wrote
                "I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a  "high
                level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't  happen for
                some reason ( unexplained)."                Here is an explanation. There
                are two parts to the explanation.                 After consulting people who
                had been elected Fellows of the BPS (collectively  sometimes known as 'The
                College of Fellows') the Committee of the  College of Fellows of the BPS,
        of
                which I was a member and then Chairperson,  decided to address a series of
                issues identified by Fellows as important. The  first of these was a day
                conference on community psychology. This was held in  London. Half of the day
                involved presentations by Ed Cairns
                         (Northern Ireland),  Serdar Degirmencioglu (Turkey), Reachout Mental Health
                Expressive Arts group  (Scotland), Cathy McCormack (Scotland) and me. The
        second
                half was  discussion.  As you can tell it was critical in standpoint. It was a
                sell out. The second  issue to be addressed was 'psychology and climate
                change'. Lots of  effort went into planning this, a date was set and Ian
                Parker invited as Key  Speaker and accepted. Ian was preparing his talk which
                promised to argue  something along the lines that neo-liberal manifestations
        of
                capitalism required  the rape of the planet and the exploitation of its
        peoples
                and psychology was  complicit with the maintenance of the current neo-liberal
                status quo. Officers  of the BPS then got in touch with the CoF and told us
        that
                the Society had  decided to put a lot of resources and effort into a big
        climate
                change event,  that the CoF climate change event could  detract / distract
                attention from this  /duplicate /
                         etc and asked if the CoF would go in with the bigger event instead  of doing
                its own thing. After much agonising the CoF decided to do that but only  on
                condition that the invitation issued to Ian Parker was honoured and he spoke
        at
                the bigger do. That was agreed at the time. See below. Note here though that
                shortly after this, the Society decided to reconsider if there was a role for
                the CoF and eventually decided there was not and to wind it up and that has
        now
                happened.                As Chair of the CoF I had been asked to sit on a
                Society Committee to develop  the bigger Climate Change event. It was made
        clear
                at the first meeting that the  new committee did not consider itself bound by
                the decision to invite Ian Parker  to address the new conference and decided
        not
                to do so. There were quite a few  meetings and a lot of work was done. I was
        not
                that happy with the discussions  myself as it seemed to me to be largely
                acritical and individualistic.
                         Nevertheless I persisted in arguing for community psychology and critical
                inputs  at the conference. Then out of the blue the BPS decided that it was in
                financial  difficulties, that it needed to trim its activities and suddenly
        the
                climate  change conference - even in its incipient conservative version -  was
                put on the  back burner. Even so the committee persisted and the latest plans
                are for a half  day meeting maybe in October which will publicise
                multi-disciplinary and  multi-centred large scale behaviour change projects
                drawing on psychological  research at the principle research centres and then
                give short presentations on  contributions of health, counselling, clinical,
                organisational & community  psychology               I think there is
                something very coincidental about two climate change  conferences being
                cancelled. I also think there i something very unsettling  about the
        uncritical
                position of mainstream psychology re climate change.
                         Psychology and climate change is at risk of becoming a middle class hobby
                horses  concerned with getting people to recycle their claret bottles. The
                complicity of  institutional psychology (including clinical psychology) with
        the
                preservation  of the neo-liberal status quo which is hell bent on exploitative
                expansionism  damaging people and ecosystems is not receiving the critique it
                requires.            David               ________________________________
                From: Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>       To:
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                Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based
                NHS - BY 30 APRIL              thanks Mark excellent links. So great to read
                what you are doing in  Manchester. Here in Devon some of us are involved in
        the
                Transition Town  movement.               Working with others re climate change
                surely should  be now our top priority   . It links with everything community
                         psychology is about: challenging power and  vested interests re consumerism
                and capitalism, bottom up political action,  reducing social inequalities
                internationally as well as nationally, linking  local l with global concerns;
                community well-being and resilience with  sustainability etc etc; not to
        mention
                leaving a world behind so  our  grandchildren can live.  It is very
                disappointing how behind the times both  academic and applied psychology is on
                this topic; I know there was a recent  special issue in the Psychologist
                recently with a few good articles ( none very  radical though) but for example
                almost every issue now of BMJ has climate  change/ public health in there
                somewhere.            I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a
                "high level" BPS  event planning re climate change which didn't
                happen for some reason (  unexplained) .                 Now - if I were less
        of
                a luddite I guess this is the moment when I should  turn to the new technology
                         Grant has initiated for us,  as there are at least 2  different topics
                budding off here: save our NHS ( can Sustainable Communities  Act help etc
        etc);
                climate change action ( what could/shuld community  psycholgists do etc etc).

                          Annie               ________________________________________
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                On Behalf Of Mark Burton
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                 Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] thanks Annie  Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no
        to
                a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL             Thanks Annie   Good to see you
        are
                ative onclimate change - despite my recent attempts ther  has been almost zero
                interest from the list on this and related topics.   Anyway I'm quite busy
                on a couple of inititiatives
                               http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/  includes my latest analysis
                of th  'crisis'       http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/

                   Mark                        > further to my email below , here attached
                for those who want to know  more,         > or who want to alert others,
        the
                Local Works guide to the Sustainable     > Communitities Act.    >
                > Annie        >       >       >
                ________________________________________     >       From: The UK Community
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                On Behalf Of Annie Mitchell     >
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                 > Sent: 09 April 2009 22:31      > To:
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                 > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30

                  > APRIL        >         > I wonder whether actions under the
                umbrella of the new
                         Sustainable   > Communitites Act may be medium/ long term helpful re NHS
        (
                and  potentially    > in other socially progressive ways too).    >

                > This Act is being described ( by some) as the biggest constitutional
                > change in UK for decades.       >       > I have been exploring it
                because our local climate change organisations         > in Devon are very
                hopeful that it may assist with democratic grass roots    > bottom up
        change
                towards dealing with/ mitigating the effects of climate        > change and
                peak oil. I haven't fully got my head around it but I;ll  do my
                > best to explain as I understand it - and would be keen to have comments

                  > from others - eg Mark -( I know you are active re climate change/

                > chaos) ? - who know more than me:   >       > The general idea is
                that the Act enables local authorities ( they can to          > chose
        whether
                to opt in) to receive, consider and put forward for  national      >
                         consideration, locally prioritised suggestions from local individuals or
                > organisations about changes in central government legislation that would,

                > if enacted, help build more sustainable communitities ie enhance ,
        >
                social, economic and environmental functioning . These local suggestions
        >
                will then go to a panel at central level, who will decide on national
                > priorities. Central government has a duty to reach agreement on how to
                > take ( some of) these forward; with a published action plan on which

                > central government may be held to account by the electorate. The new bit

                   > here is the duty to reach agreement, so this is ( in theory anyway)
        not
                  > just another empty consultative process. It's ( intended to be)
        about
                      > medium and long term change from the bottom up.     >
        >
                The trick will be to suggest, in solidarity with others, suggestions that

                 > can make a positive difference through
                         legislative changes. there are       > many many pitfalls ( eg will local
                grass roots suggestions simply tend to    > promote the interests of the
                haves versus the have-nots?) but this is an         > important Act, which
        we
                need to get our collective heads around.. This   > will be an annual
        process;
                the first wave is happening now.         >       > Find out more from
                Local Works, the campaigning organisation who have  been   > behind the
        Act,
                on http://www.localworks.org/       >       > Happy spring time, all (
        at
                least, to all in UK - happy times to others   > elsewhere) .         >

                    > Annie        >       >       >       >       >
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                On Behalf Of Frederic Stansfield        >
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                 > Sent: 09
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                 > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30

                  > APRIL        >         > I am not sure how to go forward on this.

                 >       > Let's start by thinking how the NHS was originally set
        up.
                It  wasn't        > totally a top down nationalised industry run from
                Whitehall. In fact,  much          > of it was under the control of local
                government. Westminster ran  centrally         > some parts of the NHS
        where
                national strategic management was necessary          > or, as in the case
        of
                teaching hospitals, thought to be necessary. County   > Councils ran
        services
                that needed to be provided over a fairly wide area   > such as the
        Ambulance
                Service. But many local services, such as local       > hospitals and the
                management of GPs, where run by District Councils,  under     > the
        powerful
                guidance of a doctor who held the position
                         of Medical Health    > Officer. The situation was rather more complicated
                because of varying        > council repsonsibilities, e.g. many larger
        towns
                and cities were unitary        > County Boroughs. But you will get the
        idea.
                The NHS was not a separate       > bureaucracy, but an integral part of
                British democracyin which     > responsibility for each part of the service
                was devolved to the lowest      > practical level (the European principle
        of
                "Subsiduarity"). And  there were        > professional advisers
        to
                the decision-makers with sufficient power to  stop        > elected members
                doing silly things through ignorance.        >       > The trouble was
                that professionals didn't like to be accountable     > (accountability
        is
                always uncomfortable!). The Tories used this to split       > of the NHS
        into
                indirectly appointed authorities in the 1974     > re-organisation of local
                Government. Ever since, we have seen   > accountability destroyed bit by
        bit,
                         for instance by replacement of local        > suthority nomination of
                Health Authority members by Westminster  patronage,         > and then the
                whole charade of private enterprise tendering. The result is          > the
                badly managed, over-centralised, unfit for purpose, poor value for       >
                money, shambles that we have today. And the professional doctors etc. who

                 > didn't like oversight by amateurs now find they have got much much
                worse.    >       > Come back to the current discussion. We are being
                encouraged to       > contribute to a consultation process on improving
                market processes within         > the NHS. But the idea of an NHS,
        inherently
                a public service, being      > submitted to market forces is inherently
                flawed. The whole mess is beyond          > reform. It needs to be swept
                away, as after World War 2 (although with    > less compromise to
                professional interests) and replaced by a structure       > which, as
        between
                1948 and 1974 but with
                         improvements, devolves       > responsibilty for health services to
                directly elected representatives at    > the lowest possible level,
        supported
                by Medical Officers of Health         > combining the role of professional
                adviser and chief adminstrator.         >       > In the case of
        Community
                Psychology, it is difficult to see why services       > should not be
                provided and administered in electoral units smaller than   > the current
                English District Authorities. Clinical Psychology may not be   > devolvable
                to quite such an extent, but all the same it could be locally    > run in
        the
                vast majority of cases.   >       > If this seems silly, ask yourself
        why
                the United Kingdom's National  Health     > Service is, I believe, the
                third largest employer in the world (after          > Indian Railways and
        the
                Chinese Army) when the United Kingdom is nothing     > like the third
        largest
                country. Surely the answer is that other countries   > think it is a
                         bad way to run a health service (most other Western         > countries
                use insurance based services with saftey nets). But will a         >
                Whitehall led consultation take such a glaringly obvious point on board?
                > You know the answer, don't you.     >         > If we want UK
                health services brought back under democratic control,      > wherever
                possible under local government, the fundamental question is  what        >
                actions will be effective towards this end. Is responding to a      >
                consultation process that will only act on answers already sharing the    >
                bueaucrats' mistaken values such an action?        >       >
        Frederic
                Stansfield          >       > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, CRAIG NEWNES
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                wrote:     >         From: CRAIG NEWNES
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                > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30

                               > APRIL        > To:
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                 > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 1:23 AM      >       > What a
        lovely
                idea "choice" is - for marketeers     > Craig        >
                > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, Wendy Franks
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                >       From: Wendy Franks
                <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>     >
                Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30
                > APRIL        > To:
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                   > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 12:15 AM      >       > Hello
        all,
                 >       > I'm not sure how exactly how to fit it into this
        argument,
                but  I'm going   > to throw something in anyway, and hope someone who
                knows more about it       > (...Mark? Carolyn? others?) can help me out
        with
                the details.          >       > I'm learning a
                         bit about Boundary Critique at the moment, and am  hoping to       > find
                it useful in developing some coherence for myself around       >
                participatory research. I wonder if it is helpful in this argument too.
                > As far as I can reasonably simplify it (always tricky to simplify
                > something complex that you're in the early stages of grasping, so
                sorry   > about this), Boundary Critique enables us to take a critical
                position on   > where/how/with whom we draw the boundaries around an object
                of  discussion,        > interest, study, etc. In a way, it reminds me a
        bit
                of quantum  uncertainty   > in physics (of which I also have a very, very
                tentative grasp!) - in that     > - the way in which you choose to measure
        a
                phenomenon (as a wave or        > particle for example) has an impact on
        the
                measurement you get. In this   > case, we can make choices about whether we
                look at the NHS as though it  is         > a market, and make certain
                         judgements and claims about it on that basis.       > Another of many
                options is that we can also look at it as if it is a         > service
                (shock, horror!) that is, as John Cromby expressed it, something   > that
        is
                there to care for, heal and if we could so imagine, even nurture        >
        us.
                  >       > Each way of addressing the issue at hand is likely to
        produce
                different         > conclusions. Of the things that I find appealing about
                Boundary Critique     > (as described by Midgley, 2000, in 'Systemic
                Intervention'), is  the     > recognition of the role of ethics and
                values in informing the judgements   > we make.     >       > I think
                my point might be something like this:   > Of course we can look at
                everything we do as if it is in some way driven     > by a market and all
        the
                stuff that gets exchanged in that market as         > commodoties.
                > Or we can choose to conceptualise all of those things in different terms,

                > and make
                         different judgements about them informed by other frameworks.      >

                > I think I'll leave it there for now. I'm only half way through
                Midgley's   > book, it's getting late, and I might get a bit
        unstuck!
                        >       > Of course, it would be great for me if someone with a
                better  understanding         > could suggest how Boundary Critique could
                help with this argument. Always      > good to have an idea of how theory
                works in practice.         >       > Thanks,      >       > Wendy

                    >         >       >       > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John McGowan
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                 wrote:      >         From: John McGowan
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                      > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
        BY
                30     > APRIL        > To:
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                   > Date: Wednesday, 8 April,
                         2009, 9:58 PM        >       >       > I clearly did an absolutely
                rubbish job of trying say what I was trying  to      > say   > about
                markets. The gist of it was that marketisation of the NHS might not    > be
        a
                        > completely unalloyed evil and that "resisting it
                absolutly"  might be      > going a bit far. I realise this view might
                be a tough sell in this crowd   > but   > it's worth go.       >

                   > Penny Priest came closest to what I was meaning I think when she said

                 > mentioned    > market corrections. I've been wondering lately if
                markets (as opposed  to   > The   > Market) are quite as bad as I
        thought
                they were in say 1985. For starters   > we're all part of them. Every
                time we by or choose somethine  we're part          > of a process of
                compiling collective judgements on commodities or  services      > or
        >
                innovations. This goes from which which care we drive, coffe we drink ISP
        >
                hosting the community psych
                         website or whatever. Some things flourish and       > other        >
                things don't make the cut and often the way that gets decided is by a
                > bunch        > of collective judgements saying one thing is more
                suitable than another.       > You may         > not always think we get
                it right (my wife would rather we used hot air    > balloons       >
                instead of planes) but a lot of the time we do. All of these activities
        >
                are   > basically are markets choosing one thing over another and there is
                quite  a     > bit   > of literature on the conditions needed for them
        to
                function well or  badly.      >       > One of the features of the NHS
        is
                that it has adopted certain market        > principles   > but is less
                engaged with others. If two groups are tendering for a  service      > it
        is
                      > possible to choose one group over another on the basis that
                they're         > cheaper      > but the two basically selling the
                same thing: whats recommended by
                         NICE.         > We get       > the cost control side but not the
                innovation that would happen in a real        > business.    >
        >
                The reason for using IAPT as an example (other than the special feeling
                > help         > for it on this list) is that I think it is worth
                appropriating commercial    > language to point out that one way of looking
                at it is as a very poor       > business     > model. In some ways its
                like if Lord Layard took over my local shop.         > Implausibile and not
                entirley reassuring given his record bu who knows     > where        >
                this recession might lead. You can imagine how his plan would look.       >

                    > "We have good professional evidence that bread is a versatile
                product and        > will be very popular therfore that's what I will
                sell. My advisors in  the       > baking industry assure me that the trials
                they've conducted will  translate         > into consumer demand".

                    >       > At this point I'd be inclinded to
                         toddle along and ask a few obvious   > questions:   > Q: Don't you
                think it might be worth selling other products? What  about    > milk or
                cheese?      > A: As and when the evidence becomes available we will
        consider
                stocking     > other        > things, but my baking advisers point out
                dairy products have been sold  for         > years         > without RCT
                evidence of consumer appeal.    >       > Q:You don't think this
        bread
                thing is a passing fancy then? Surely  there   > is    > evidence for
                other things         > A: The bulk of the evidence is mainly there for
        bread
                so that's the  way    > we're going.         >       > Q: I
        at
                least fancy a few lentils or maybe some baked beans.     > A: I am
        convinded
                that "third-wave" breads such as wholemeal  and    > multigrain
        can
                address consumer demand in these areas.     >       >       > I could
                (and I'm sure you could) go on and on but I think that joke  has    >
                gone too far already. In this
                         situation I could do one of two things. One         > would        >
        be
                to go and get evidence for the saleability of beans, chocolate, Cillit
                > Bang,        > Sepcial Brew or whatever else I fancied. this would
                probably take a few     > years.         > The other (which ould take 5
                minutes) would be to go to the shop down the         > road         >
                along with most of the other people in my neighbourhood and watch Lord
        L's
                     > shop close after a few days.        >       > My point is
        really
                that in the NHS its difficult to go to the IAPT  service     > down
                > the road beacuse there isn't one. If there was (and I'd be happy
                to take   > tenders for 173 million from users of this list) it might just
                turn out  to         > be    > better.        >       > Its always
                been difficult to get this sort of market aggregation of        >
        judgements
                 > in the NHS. Darzi's proposals might actually lead to some kind
        effect
                of          > collective judgement around some
                         aspects of GP services (i.e. the surgery    > with         > rude
        staff
                and a crappy appointment system may have to shape up). Making     > such

                   > judgements around competing variations on something like IAPT would
        need
                 a    > lot   > of thought. I'm not for a moment trying to contend
                that this is an  ideal      > solution but in the face of the NICE
        guidelines
                I'm wondering if we  need    > more not less of this.       >
                > Happy Easter         >       > John         >       >
                > ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,   >
                Year/Academic         > Director, Centre for Applied Social and
        Psychological
                Development,        > Canterbury     > Christchurch University, Salomons
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                         ________________________________     >       >       From: The UK
                Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG    > NEWNES
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                     > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
        BY
                30   > APRIL          >       >       > Anyone with responsibility
                for budgets in the NHS will recognize this red    > herring before you can
                say, " THE NHS exists to subsidize Big Pharma  and    > its PSY
                acolytes." For almost 20 years I defended a psy-budget  against the
        >
                so-called overspend on GP drug budgets. In 2006 the drug budget in
        >
                Shropshire   > was ?5M in the red so the budget managers were told to, yet
                again, cut     > posts to     > pay the bill. The NHS is already a
                marketplace. Thank goodness that the     > IAPT         > scheme will
                enable all these unemployed NHS staff to go to CBT therapists
                               > and -        > er - get jobs as cleaners or whatever.
        >
                Craig        >         > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John Cromby
                <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:   >

                   >       >         From: John Cromby
                <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>      >
                Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
        >
                BY 30 APRIL          > To:
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                 > Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 4:40 PM     >       >       >
        Our
                health needs and social care needs have been thoroughly       > distorted
        by
                       > top-down policy imperatives and so-called 'evidence based
                > practice',   > and   > consistently subordinated to budgetary
                constraints that prioritise        > the   > fighting     > of
                neo-colonial wars. Meanwhile, on the home front the 'war on      >
                terror'      > legitimates extensive and growing government spending
                         on    > technologies to      > monitor      > and control us rather
                than care for, heal or - dare I even say it          > - nurture    >
        us.
                 > Legitimate challenges to this insane situation, this situation     >
                structured by        > an    > insane rationality, are increasingly
                portrayed as 'extremist'.      > And,         > consonant with
        its
                own rational insanity, the reproduction of this          > exploitative
                > social order is to be achieved by any means that those in power    >
                imagine that   > they can get away with. As of today, it seems that this
        can
                even   > include        > telling      > lies about and excusing the
                death of a bystander caught up in last     > week's       > anti-G20
                demonstrations in London: Ian Tomlinson, who was beaten     > and pushed to

                     > the floor by the police, without provocation, just minutes before

                > he died of a         > heart attack.         >       > In this
                rationally insane situation, insane
                         solutions to         > manufactured problems        > can gain a
                superficial appeal. Marketisation of the NHS or social    > care is just

                   > such an insane solution. We should resist it absolutely.    >
                > J.    >       >       >       >         > John McGowan
                wrote:          > > This is extremely interesting. Thank you so much for
                sending it   > to the       > list.        > > I've been
                thinking recently however that perhaps an increase in   > certain kinds
                marketisation might actually be a helpful in the      > NHS. In some

                > way   > markets (i.e. aggregating the people's decisions about
                alternative         > business     > models) could potentially provide
        an
                alternative to the rigidity   > of the NICE   > guidelines. The Dazi
                review tries to create a market of sorts        > through,     >
        nominally
                   > at least, prioritising choice.        > > IAPT is potentially
                quite a good example of where markets         > might        >
                         actually      > help. I can't help feeling that if there was 173
                million quid      > available      > and   > the question of
        improving
                return to (and retention within) work   > was put out to       > tender
                some very innovative proposals (including some from members   > of this

                > list)        > might have come back. Perhaps they might even have
                produced better       > results      > than         > the plan
                we've got!   > > John McGowan       > >     > >
                ________________________________   > >     > >      From: The UK
                Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of       > Wendy
        >
                Franks       > > Sent: Tue 07/04/2009 9:23 PM      > > To:
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                 > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
                > BY 30        > APRIL          > >     > >     > >
                Hello all,         > > In case you are not already receiving these
                         emails, here's an    > opportunity to voice your objections. All the
                best, Wendy         > >     > >     > >     > >
        >
                >     From NHS Support Federation, a founder organisation of       >
        Keep
                Our NHS         > Public       > > NHS services are now to be
        provided
                by a wide range of     > organisations all    > competing within a
        market.
                The new Co-operation and Competition         > Panel        >
                <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/> for NHS-funded services is to help     >
                deliver      > the supposed benefits of competition. It will investigate
                > potential breaches   > of     > the Principles and Rules     >
                <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf>
                      > as defined by the Department of Health. It will also advise the

                > Department of        > Health and the foundation trust regulator
                Monitor. The      > Co-operation and     > Competition Panel is a
        misnomer
                as its
                         remit is weighted so         > heavily in favour    > of    >
                promoting competition, whilst neglecting the considerable benefits
        >
                of    > cooperation.         > >      > > We need your help to
                respond forcefully to the Panel's   > current      > consultation
        and
                to lobby MPs. Please write a letter objecting to   > the   > imposition

                 > of competition and commercial values on the NHS and raising the    >
                crucial        > questions listed below. Send your letter to the
        Co-operation
                and   > Competition    > Panel at the address below and a copy to your
        MP.
                  > >     > > Send to: Interim Guidelines Consultation,
        >
                Cooperation and Competition         > Panel, 1 Horse Guards Road, London,
                SW1A 2HQ or email        >
                [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>.
                 Respond by 30 April.      > >     > > Points to make:    >
        >
                   > > 1. Will the panel ensure that the
                         alternative of a     > publicly led service         > is included in
                consultations about future tenders? 2. Is   > the duplication of   >
                services to produce choice a good use of resources which   > constitutes
                economic         > efficiency, especially given that the benefits of
                competition in    > healthcare   > are   > unproven (indeed Minster
        of
                State Ben Bradshaw said that the "mix     > of    > competition and
                co-operation in the NHS is a unique model in the     > world")?
        >
                3. Will the tendering process be fair and         > transparent, with no
                discrimination         > against NHS organisations in favour of either
                commercial or         > voluntary bodies         > or    > social
                enterprises? 4. Will the public be consulted on an         > ongoing basis
                about          > local tenders e.g. via local involvement networks (LINks)?
                5.   > Will the panel       > foster co-operation not only between
                commissioners and providers,          > but between
                               > providers, a hope expressed by Richard Taylor MP in a debate in

                > Parliament on         > 24    > February?    > >     >
        >
                   > > It is vital to protect and promote a publicly led NHS       >
                which has an ethos   > which is truly patient-centred. We must insist to
        the
                Panel that    > our   > objections   > to the notion of a health
                service based on a competitive market     > are widely   > shared. With
                your help we must ensure that our views are not         > ignored.     >
                >     > > You can see the consultation paper         >
                <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf> , the    >
                four         > guidance documents which are the subject of the
        consultation,
                and   > the response         > template at   >
                http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html.
                > >     > >     > > Please send us copies of your letters or
                emails. Thanks        > for your help.
                               > > NHS Support Federation     > >     > >     >
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