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Re: POCT - TAT and tat?

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"TICKNER TREVOR (RM1) Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital" <[log in to unmask]>

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TICKNER TREVOR (RM1) Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital

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Tue, 19 May 2009 16:13:15 +0100

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 I am sure we are not alone in having PSA available 24/7. Hence results

are back in GP surgeries by the next morning (most often by 10 pm same

day).



I have not looked at the Daily Mail or Telegraph but the BBC site

compares the test to biopsy which makes the collection criteria more

comparable. However, I, too, suspect that there will be some resistance

from patients to specimen collection, even if the aspirate is replaced

by semen analysis. The problem remains that we need to have a way of

distinguishing aggressive disease that benefits from treatment. If the

Durham group do not have a test for this then it is merely replacing one

poor diagnostic test by another. Then its real value would lie in any

ability to replace (or at least reduce) biopsies.



Trevor Tickner,

Norwich



P.S. A copy of Documenta Geigy from 1956 quotes ranges for both seminal

and prostatic fluid citrate. These are 80-800 mg/100 ml  and 0.48-2.68

g/100 ml respectively. The refences quoted were 1953 and 1945.

Presumably the new citrate test either has had or will have a reference

range established. I wonder if there are age-dependent ranges and, if

so, how many volunteers for aspiration were/will be required.



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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Bullock

Sent: 19 May 2009 14:25

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Subject: POCT - TAT and tat?



Some of today's papers have articles about a "three-minute prostate

cancer test" - though it's a simple test, measuring citrate by "shining

light through the fluid after adding a luminous metal", the sample is

obtained by aspiration biopsy - ouch! ("more invasive than a blood

test")



Perhaps more worrying is that the main selling point is speed, with the

Telegraph referring to "a long wait for results" and the Mail stating

that PSA results "take between one and two weeks to come back from the

laboratory". Where do they get these 'facts' from? - my wife's GP

surgery has a notice inviting patients to phone for results only 1 week

after specimen collection . . .



David



Dr David Bullock

Director, Birmingham Quality

P O Box 3909, Birmingham B15 2UE, U K

FAX: 0121 414 1179 [+44 121 414 1179]



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