Miriam's comments are as ever well-informed and incisive, but we don't
need to be psychologists to agree with them. Climate change is vitally
important and we might usefully produce a statement of the kind Miriam
proposes: it wouldn't (shouldn't!) take much effort. But overall I agree
with Craig: we're perhaps better off focusing our energies on something
that's both achievable and within our specific realm of professional
expertise.
J.
miriam hollis wrote:
> I think that, as Community Psychologists who are looking to have a
> collective voice in the community/world which will have a constructive
> impact upon the issues which are negatively impacting upon the most
> vulnerable, we have to have a very clear statement and intention when we
> speak.
>
> Although my own view is that we are living in a western culture which is
> now so avaricious and self interested that this seems to me to be
> reflected in discussions about climate change. My kids ( now almost all
> adults) long complained about the cycle rides to school in all weathers,
> the walks to the nearest recycling banks, the trawling through charity
> shops and jumble sales, and the long days on the allotments during their
> end of primary school years. More so as we live in a neighbourhood which
> is wanting to recreate community, yet is atypical in that they alternate
> whether they get into his/her or the sons car to go to the newsagent,
> and pop their newspapers into the back of the car for the recycling
> trip. And it was always a mystery why the school Santa always forgot
> that we were vegans.
> Yet such is the nature of the society that we live in, that recycling
> also became a source of shame: jumble sales and charity shops were a
> source of humiliation ( until reclaimed in late teens), recycling was
> "hippy", and even the teachers teased about the cycling to school. These
> attitudes are ones which affect our client groups - the teasing of kids
> in school as the haves and have nots make assumptions about status. For
> them it may not be an option, and they don't necessary want to identify
> themselves with this kind of lifestyle, because the very thing that they
> want to do is reshape their sense of identity as poor or disadvantaged.
>
> On the other hand there are now the ructions between the
> environmentalists and the open cast coal miners who are desparate to
> reopen mines and have work.
>
> At this level the issues are so closely intertwined with social
> economics, issues of self worth, prospects of social aspiration,
> advantage/disadvatage, that from a distance it still looks like a
> separatist debate.
>
> Climate change is one of the issues which reflect the power issues
> prevalent in not only our society, but the world. Whilst we focus only
> on issues of energy and sources of energy - we miss that it matters not
> that as individuals we are buying locally, using energy efficiency,
> ditching the car ( or buying that great looking new electric model),
> consuming less and so forth. The major capitalist attitudes which have
> their own self interests to serve are consuming more and more energy
> without any Government sanctions of any note. New buildings are going up
> without any Government legislation to insist that each new home is built
> on energy efficient lines, with triple glazing, water conservation,
> photvoltaic cells, solar panels, wind turbines. The only housing project
> in my City which is totally self sufficinet in terms of energy ( and can
> sell back to the local grid) were fought tooth and nail by their local
> authority to prevent them from using a wind turbine.
> When 90% of the wealth is in the hands of 10% of the people, the power
> is in the hands of those 10% and so the initiatives to make the
> population less dependent upon them for sources of anything whatsoever
> will be resisted strongly. All energy supplies are provided by
> organisations owned by the wealthiest in society. They have no intention
> of allowing me or you to be energy efficient. Although we can try. We
> can continue to do all that we can as individuals. However, we have to
> understand that we have to be speaking out about the sources of power
> within the society that ultimately prevents a shift in the way that the
> world survives and all the people that live here have a better quality
> of existance.
>
> If all of us were energy self sufficient - can you imagine towns and
> cities not needing to pay for energy services? Some of us would love
> that, feel great about it, the poorest would certainly be better off (
> but they would probably get their benefits cut or the minimum wage cut
> accordingly as these rates are set based on the minimum necessary to
> sustain life).
>
> What we need to be looking at is: are we brave enough to come out and
> say that the inequalities of wealth are contributing to climate change,
> poverty, disadvantage, erroded confidence, poor mental health, global
> inequality?
>
> If we are not, then the discussion might as well carry on at the pub.
>
> Miriam H
>
> > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:02:35 +0100
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change - room for equality and diversity
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > Actually I don't want to get distracted either. I'm actually quite
> interested in people's thoughts on the quesitons I was trying to
> formulate last night. Being sceptical about local consumption (which
> even though something was grown down the road may have no extra value in
> terms of emmissions), Transitions towns etc not the same as being
> scepticl about climate change more generally.
> >
> > I am interested in hearing more from Craig too however as one of my
> discomforts with this whol area is that is seems to become about a kind
> of tribal penance.
> >
> > John
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Mark
> Burton
> > Sent: Sat 18/04/2009 10:03 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change - room for equality and diversity
> >
> >
> >
> > Before we get into a sterile debate about whether or not CC is areality
> > - here is a compilaion that debunks the supposed arguments that it isn't
> > really happening - or if it is it wasn't me (or SHell, Texaco, Coal) guv.
> >
> http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/
> >
> >
> > John McGowan wrote:
> > > Hi Craig, you've mentioned this a couple of times now and it would
> be interesting to hear more about it. Both the notion that human
> activity has limited influence over climate (I presume you might have
> someone like Bjorn Lomborg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg in mind?) and the kind
> of vested interests crerading and plugging this concept might serve.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,
> Year/Academic Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological
> Development, Canterbury Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road
> Southborough Tunbridge Wells Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778
> [log in to unmask] www.salomonscaspd.org.uk www.canterbury.ac.uk
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
> CRAIG NEWNES
> > > Sent: Fri 17/04/2009 11:30 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change - room for equality and diversity
> > >
> > >
> > > Does ANYONE on the list understand that the "idea" of climate
> change serves vested interests?
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 17/4/09, John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change - room for equality and diversity
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 9:19 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > A little late to this. The prospect of a conference on these issues
> sounds very
> > > interesting. I'm genuinely curious as to the contribution psychological
> > > thinking can make in these areas. Had a look at the Manchester
> website. It looks
> > > as if it is quite conprehensive in some ways. It does however seem
> to place
> > > grerat faith in local production of commodities as a way of
> reducing carbon
> > > emmissions. This often seems quite questionable. My view of this is
> a little
> > > skewed I think by my local transition town group (Lewes in East
> Sussex) who
> > > basically seem to be a club of middle class people who really
> struggle to say
> > > anything relevant to the wider community and place all thier faith
> in the notion
> > > of local purchasing and a large (and incredibly widely publicised)
> LETs scheme
> > > which seems to have little demostrable value beyond novelty.
> > >
> > >
> > > I also wonder about if a climate change adgenda with a social
> justice one as
> > > the two may not always be the most natural bedfellows. Obviously
> the reality is
> > > that poor people tend to get disproportionately screwed by climate
> change but
> > > the debate often tends to scapegoat them too (flying too much, or
> shopping in
> > > ASDA os whatever etc). It leaves me curious as to how, short of
> taking a
> > > completely dystopian view that the collapse of many familier
> entities is
> > > imminent, is is possible to involve wider communities in
> initiatives relevant to
> > > them. Especially in tough economic times wiere the low road to ASDA
> may look
> > > more attractive.
> > >
> > > There is a case to be made that a number of capitalist tools such
> as managed
> > > markets might have some controbution to make if the caps can be
> brought low
> > > enough. This kind of tool does seem to have had a powerful effect
> on acid rain.
> > >
> > > Anyway, friday night and perhaps am not making much sense.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,
> Year/Academic
> > > Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development,
> Canterbury
> > > Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough
> Tunbridge Wells
> > > Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778 [log in to unmask]
> > > www.salomonscaspd.org.uk www.canterbury.ac.uk
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
> Annie Mitchell
> > > Sent: Wed 15/04/2009 3:28 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change -
> > > room for equality and diversity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes. Following though on this link, you can find
> > >
> > > in an interview reported on BBC home page, Ian Stewart from
> University of
> > > Plymouth School of Earth, Ocean and Environmental Science who
> presented BBC
> > > Earth: Climate Wars, saying stuff that surely should give us pause as
> > > (community) psychologists and get us thinking about our
> role/contribution ( or
> > > lack of so far) (I've cut and pasted):
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If society is to make any progress on effectively dealing with
> climate change
> > > at a regional or global level, what is imperative is that ordinary
> people help
> > > build a political climate at grass-roots level that accepts the
> problem exists
> > > and demands some serious actions by business and government. For
> me, that begins
> > > with people accepting that there is no hiding place left in the
> science - the
> > > overwhelming consensus of the vast body of scientists that study
> climate is that
> > > the trends we are seeing in the air, the oceans and in our
> ecosystems are
> > > entirely consistent with the theory of global warming, while the
> alternatives
> > > offered by sceptical scientists - even the much heralded role of
> the Sun - so
> > > far fail that test.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Blaming scientific uncertainty is now not an option to delay
> action. Sure,
> > > actions by individuals can make a difference, but real progress
> will only come
> > > when individuals come together with a strong, common voice to
> demand that
> > > rhetoric turns into regulation. And that's where I see my role - in
> > > convincing ordinary folk that this is an issue that they should
> care about, not
> > > because it will affect them but, more insidiously, it will be their
> legacy to
> > > their kids and grandkids.
> > >
> > >
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> > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of richard pemberton
> > > Sent: 15 April 2009 14:33
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change -
> > > room for equality and diversity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't offset - sandbag
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/15/09, CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > The "idea" of climate change is indeed promoted by individual action
> > > with vested interest (selling tropical plants in Halifax, anyone). But
> > > "climate change" happens in cycles far removed from human endeavour.
> > > The climate is way beyond human control or influence - unlike
> newspaper articles
> > > which are wriiten by over-excited "experts" getting their slice of
> > > cake.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change -
> > > room for equality and diversity
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 11:53 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Craig,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Obvious but ... to assert that destructive climate change has been
> brought
> > > about by the behaviours (or actions as I prefer prefer) of
> individual people
> > > and that it can be reversed or prevented from getting even worse by
> > > psychologists changing the behaviour or action of individual people
> one at a
> > > time, as 'institutional' psychologists do, even if they were effective
> > > in doing so which, as you say, is not the case, is not only silly
> but hugely
> > > problematic at practical, theoretical and ideological levels. That
> needs
> > > pointing out ... but we claim as 'community' psychologists to know
> > > something about less problematic ways of deploying psychology. So
> why not do
> > > both through a uk ccp climate change initiative? No point in
> pointing at the
> > > mainstream acritical institutional psychologists saying 'told you
> so' as
> > > the water covers all our heads?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > By the way I am not sure psychologists need to know a lot about
> behaviour
> > > change to be complicit in it happening ... the roles of psychology in
> > > governmentality and control of behaviour / action) have been pretty
> persuasively
> > > spelled out by Foucault and Rose in my view.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > From: CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 23:01:19
> > > Subject: Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for
> equality and
> > > diversity
> > >
> > > David, Psychologists know FUCK ALL about behaviour change. As you
> know, it just
> > > happens, and we don't know why (even if you were to believe in the
> rather
> > > silly concept of "why"). To claim they know might give them 5 minutes
> > > of fame but, hey, look what just happened to "financial experts"
> > >
> > > Cx
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change -
> > > room for equality and diversity
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:56 PM
> > >
> > > Hi Craig, I agree that any achieved progressive change would be
> wonderful
> > > and worth more than any number of futile gestures. I agree that any
> small
> > > achievable change re psy complex tyranny would be really worthwhile
> but think
> > > any small achievable change re climate change would be worthwhile
> too (both may
> > > be possible simultaneously given some psy-complexperimenters'
> insistence
> > > that climate change can be addressed through behaviour change) - we
> would not
> > > need to address the whole problem of climate change (or psycomplex
> tyranny) in
> > > order to achieve something worthwhile? However there seems to be
> enthusiasm
> > > on the list to see what we can offer distinctively as community
> critical
> > > psychologists in relation to climate change so why not go for that as a
> > > starting place? David ________________________________ From: The UK
> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG NEWNES
> Sent: Tue
> > > 14/04/2009 22:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: UKCP
> > > Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity
> > > Some time ago I suggested that the list considers putting effort
> (not talk)
> > > into ONE small achievable change. Climate Change seems a little -
> er - big and
> > > way outside of human, let alone Community Psychology control. It's
> not as if
> > > there aren't countless groups protesting, marching, publicly
> debating the
> > > economics of American and post-industrial exploitation etc, etc.
> Agreeing on ONE
> > > focus does not take away from the need to address process, mutual
> respect and
> > > so on but it might make a small difference -
> > > to us and the wider community. We could, for example, as a group
> voacalise
> > > the need for a ban on psychiatric and psychological diagnoses. We
> could fight
> > > for ONE example of the PSYcomplex's tyranny to be overturned -
> e.g., there
> > > is a case in Holland of parents trying to have their son killed
> (euthanased) on
> > > the basis he is diagnosed with ADHD - this has been in the courts
> for three
> > > years and has yet to appear in the UK press. In a way, it doesn't
> matter
> > > which target we aim at, as long as it is achievable. After all
> cling film was
> > > originally designed exclusively for the Apollo missions - and now it's
> > > taken over the world. Craig --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer
> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: From: David Fryer
> > > <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference
> > > addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity To:
> > > [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:36 AM
> > >
> > > Dear Jacqui I will reply separately to the two issues so
> > > they have different subject lines for ongoing discussion In case
> > > it was not clear I agree that equality and diversity are absolutely
> key issues
> > > in relation to climate change and would hope and expect that they
> would be
> > > addressed either directly or indirectly in all conference debates.
> But I am
> > > suggesting we try to focus debate at our conferences rather more in
> the future
> > > than in the past. I suggest a community critical conference
> focusing on climate
> > > change which addressed issues of equality, diversity,
> participation, power,
> > > ideology, praxis, poverty in relation to climate change would be
> exciting and
> > > potentially more productive re leading to action than our meetings
> have tended
> > > to be recently. I think a title directing people to the focal issue
> of climate
> > > change from a community critical perspective and some fairly tight
> reviewing of
> > > submissions could help produce a more
> > > focused and more effective conference whilst still making room for
> all.
> > > Of course we will all have ideas and it will be the conference
> organisers
> > > ... Annie, Lisa and their colleagues who should decide on what form the
> > > conference takes if they decide they are going to proceed but I
> took Annie to
> > > request list people to contribute their ideas etc so am glad you
> and I are
> > > doing so Since my earlier message I heard of a conference which
> > > may also be of interest not so much because many of us will be able
> to present
> > > actually or virtually but because it illustrates a different and
> interesting
> > > way of tackling the issues SIXTH INTERNATIONAL
> > > CONFERENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL, CULTURAL, ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
> SUSTAINABILITY
> > > University of Cuenca, Ecuador 5-7 January 2010
> > > http://www.SustainabilityConference.com
> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/>
> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/>
> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> best wishes,
> > > David
> > > ________________________________ From: jacqui lovell
> > > <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 5:01:29 Subject: Re: UKCP Conference
> > > addressing climate change from a community critical standpoint?
> > > "tetchy" David, I prefer to think that from the frustration comes the
> > > growth! I agree with David that a focus may be good but can we
> > > leave room for equality and diversity in this as well please Annie,
> I like your
> > > original title, "equality, sustainability and community well-being"
> > > as this has room for all. Jac
> > > ________________________________ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:45:58
> > > +0000 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
> > > UKCP Conference addressing climate change from a community critical
> standpoint?
> > > To: [log in to unmask] Dear Annie,
> > > I think your tentative suggestion of the UKCP Conference
> > > addressing climate change from a community critical standpoint is
> really
> > > valuable. We seem to have got into a pattern of organising our
> conferences to
> > > be as wide in topic as possible so that anyone interested in CP
> could present
> > > whatever they are doing. That is well intentioned but leads to very
> general
> > > conference conference reflected in all inclusive titles (even
> 'Equality,
> > > Sustainability and Community Well-Being' verges on that). That has
> been OK
> > > up to a point but we have had some rather unfocused and sometimes
> defensive or
> > > even tetchy meetings. I think it is worth trying a different tack.
> I think
> > > going for a specific focused problem such as climate change,
> ensuring it is
> > > addressed searchingly from a community critical psychology
> perspective, and
> > > designing it from the start to be ecologically sound in process
> (e.g. reducing
> > > its carbon footprint) and action oriented in outcome, would be
> good. In line
> > > with our approach, this can be
> > > inclusive in the sense that people need not be experts in climate
> change to
> > > contribute but can apply whatever experience, interests and skills
> they have to
> > > climate change issues. For example there has been a lot of interest
> in the NHS
> > > and 'the market' on this list lately and some might like to think about
> > > how the NHS and/or market are related to climate change. Others
> might be
> > > interested in interrelations between poverty and climate change ...
> you might
> > > remember that Cathy McCormack talked to us at one conference about
> radical
> > > tenants' activism in relation to damp housing, health and mental health
> > > which also addressed climate changes (the poorest in Glasgow were
> spending
> > > massive proportions of their inadequate benefit to heat the sky yet
> shivering
> > > and suffering damp related illness and misery. Others with
> participatory working
> > > skills might like to think how to deploy them re climate change.
> Others can
> > > develop effective praxis in related to
> > > climate change. Others can critique the discipline of psychology in
> relation
> > > to climate change etc. I think there is a lot of important
> international
> > > lessons to learn. For example Trisha Conway taught me recently that
> middle
> > > class climate change activists have much to learn from the US
> environmental
> > > justice movement within which poor Americans, often black, have
> collectively
> > > fearlessly challenged the (re) location of their communities in
> ecologically
> > > toxic sites. I strongly support you in thinking about hosting
> > > the next CP conference in Devon in Spring 2010 but when you are
> thinking about
> > > dates please remember the III International Conference on Community
> Psychology
> > > will be held in Puebla, México, from 3rd to 5th June 2010 please
> try to avoid
> > > a clash of dates as some - including me - might want to attend
> both. Just
> > > before or just after would be great (for me) David
> > > ________________________________ From: Annie
> > > Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 18:45:25
> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
> > > market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Dear David and all,
> > > Seems unlikely to be a co-incidence, as you say - frustrating
> process and v
> > > unsettling as you say re mainstream academic and applied psychology
> uncritical
> > > position re climate change - and it sounds from what you say that
> the latest
> > > planned BPS event will, true to current BPS form, be pretty
> uncritical...be
> > > great if we as community psychologists could assemble a more
> critical take
> > > (beyond " large scale behaviour change projects" ), that puts together
> > > the social inequalities agenda, along with the climate change/peak
> oil issue
> > > and economic collapse ( linking perhaps with some of the more
> critical medics
> > > who are writing on this topic using public health arguments as
> their way in) . I
> > > thought
> > > that mark's essay on the site he posted us to came the closest yet of
> > > anything I;ve read to do that - ( do read it everyone who is
> interested in this
> > > debate!); also there is a good chapter on this in Richard Wilkinson's/
> > > kate Picket's Spirit Level isnt there . A community psych
> > > conference might be a good way to take a more critical stance...
> lisa thorne
> > > and i are hoping to be able to announce via this list by end of
> April that we
> > > would be willing and able to host next conference in Devon spring
> 2010, but we
> > > are still not certain ... meantime, at this pre-planning stage -
> any comments
> > > re whether this would make a good conference theme very welcome.:
> we are
> > > thinking so far something along the lines of "equality, sustainability
> > > and community well-being". Good wishes, Annie
> > > ________________________________________ From: The UK
> > > Community Psychology Discussion List
> [[log in to unmask]] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > David Fryer [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 10 April 2009 11:31
> > > To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
> thanks
> > > Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY
> 30 APRIL
> > > Dear Annie and everyone on this list, Annie wrote
> > > "I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a "high
> > > level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't happen for
> > > some reason ( unexplained)." Here is an explanation. There
> > > are two parts to the explanation. After consulting people who
> > > had been elected Fellows of the BPS (collectively sometimes known
> as 'The
> > > College of Fellows') the Committee of the College of Fellows of the
> BPS, of
> > > which I was a member and then Chairperson, decided to address a
> series of
> > > issues identified by Fellows as important. The first of these was a day
> > > conference on community psychology. This was held in London. Half
> of the day
> > > involved presentations by Ed Cairns
> > > (Northern Ireland), Serdar Degirmencioglu (Turkey), Reachout Mental
> Health
> > > Expressive Arts group (Scotland), Cathy McCormack (Scotland) and
> me. The second
> > > half was discussion. As you can tell it was critical in standpoint.
> It was a
> > > sell out. The second issue to be addressed was 'psychology and climate
> > > change'. Lots of effort went into planning this, a date was set and Ian
> > > Parker invited as Key Speaker and accepted. Ian was preparing his
> talk which
> > > promised to argue something along the lines that neo-liberal
> manifestations of
> > > capitalism required the rape of the planet and the exploitation of
> its peoples
> > > and psychology was complicit with the maintenance of the current
> neo-liberal
> > > status quo. Officers of the BPS then got in touch with the CoF and
> told us that
> > > the Society had decided to put a lot of resources and effort into a
> big climate
> > > change event, that the CoF climate change event could detract /
> distract
> > > attention from this /duplicate /
> > > etc and asked if the CoF would go in with the bigger event instead
> of doing
> > > its own thing. After much agonising the CoF decided to do that but
> only on
> > > condition that the invitation issued to Ian Parker was honoured and
> he spoke at
> > > the bigger do. That was agreed at the time. See below. Note here
> though that
> > > shortly after this, the Society decided to reconsider if there was
> a role for
> > > the CoF and eventually decided there was not and to wind it up and
> that has now
> > > happened. As Chair of the CoF I had been asked to sit on a
> > > Society Committee to develop the bigger Climate Change event. It
> was made clear
> > > at the first meeting that the new committee did not consider itself
> bound by
> > > the decision to invite Ian Parker to address the new conference and
> decided not
> > > to do so. There were quite a few meetings and a lot of work was
> done. I was not
> > > that happy with the discussions myself as it seemed to me to be largely
> > > acritical and individualistic.
> > > Nevertheless I persisted in arguing for community psychology and
> critical
> > > inputs at the conference. Then out of the blue the BPS decided that
> it was in
> > > financial difficulties, that it needed to trim its activities and
> suddenly the
> > > climate change conference - even in its incipient conservative
> version - was
> > > put on the back burner. Even so the committee persisted and the
> latest plans
> > > are for a half day meeting maybe in October which will publicise
> > > multi-disciplinary and multi-centred large scale behaviour change
> projects
> > > drawing on psychological research at the principle research centres
> and then
> > > give short presentations on contributions of health, counselling,
> clinical,
> > > organisational & community psychology I think there is
> > > something very coincidental about two climate change conferences being
> > > cancelled. I also think there i something very unsettling about the
> uncritical
> > > position of mainstream psychology re climate change.
> > > Psychology and climate change is at risk of becoming a middle class
> hobby
> > > horses concerned with getting people to recycle their claret
> bottles. The
> > > complicity of institutional psychology (including clinical
> psychology) with the
> > > preservation of the neo-liberal status quo which is hell bent on
> exploitative
> > > expansionism damaging people and ecosystems is not receiving the
> critique it
> > > requires. David ________________________________
> > > From: Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:15:05
> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
> market-based
> > > NHS - BY 30 APRIL thanks Mark excellent links. So great to read
> > > what you are doing in Manchester. Here in Devon some of us are
> involved in the
> > > Transition Town movement. Working with others re climate change
> > > surely should be now our top priority . It links with everything
> community
> > > psychology is about: challenging power and vested interests re
> consumerism
> > > and capitalism, bottom up political action, reducing social
> inequalities
> > > internationally as well as nationally, linking local l with global
> concerns;
> > > community well-being and resilience with sustainability etc etc;
> not to mention
> > > leaving a world behind so our grandchildren can live. It is very
> > > disappointing how behind the times both academic and applied
> psychology is on
> > > this topic; I know there was a recent special issue in the Psychologist
> > > recently with a few good articles ( none very radical though) but
> for example
> > > almost every issue now of BMJ has climate change/ public health in
> there
> > > somewhere. I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a
> > > "high level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't
> > > happen for some reason ( unexplained) . Now - if I were less of
> > > a luddite I guess this is the moment when I should turn to the new
> technology
> > > Grant has initiated for us, as there are at least 2 different topics
> > > budding off here: save our NHS ( can Sustainable Communities Act
> help etc etc);
> > > climate change action ( what could/shuld community psycholgists do
> etc etc).
> > > Annie ________________________________________
> > > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> > >
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> > > On Behalf Of Mark Burton
> > > [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: 09 April
> > > 2009 23:26 To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW:
> Say no to
> > > a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Thanks Annie Good to see you are
> > > ative onclimate change - despite my recent attempts ther has been
> almost zero
> > > interest from the list on this and related topics. Anyway I'm quite
> busy
> > > on a couple of inititiatives
> > > http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/ includes my latest analysis
> > > of th 'crisis' http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/
> > > Mark > further to my email below , here attached
> > > for those who want to know more, > or who want to alert others, the
> > > Local Works guide to the Sustainable > Communitities Act. >
> > > > Annie > > >
> > > ________________________________________ > From: The UK Community
> > > Psychology Discussion List >
> > >
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> > > On Behalf Of Annie Mitchell >
> > > [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> > > > Sent: 09 April 2009 22:31 > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> - BY 30
> > > > APRIL > > I wonder whether actions under the
> > > umbrella of the new
> > > Sustainable > Communitites Act may be medium/ long term helpful re
> NHS (
> > > and potentially > in other socially progressive ways too). >
> > > > This Act is being described ( by some) as the biggest constitutional
> > > > change in UK for decades. > > I have been exploring it
> > > because our local climate change organisations > in Devon are very
> > > hopeful that it may assist with democratic grass roots > bottom up
> change
> > > towards dealing with/ mitigating the effects of climate > change and
> > > peak oil. I haven't fully got my head around it but I;ll do my
> > > > best to explain as I understand it - and would be keen to have
> comments
> > > > from others - eg Mark -( I know you are active re climate change/
> > > > chaos) ? - who know more than me: > > The general idea is
> > > that the Act enables local authorities ( they can to > chose whether
> > > to opt in) to receive, consider and put forward for national >
> > > consideration, locally prioritised suggestions from local
> individuals or
> > > > organisations about changes in central government legislation
> that would,
> > > > if enacted, help build more sustainable communitities ie enhance , >
> > > social, economic and environmental functioning . These local
> suggestions >
> > > will then go to a panel at central level, who will decide on national
> > > > priorities. Central government has a duty to reach agreement on
> how to
> > > > take ( some of) these forward; with a published action plan on which
> > > > central government may be held to account by the electorate. The
> new bit
> > > > here is the duty to reach agreement, so this is ( in theory
> anyway) not
> > > > just another empty consultative process. It's ( intended to be) about
> > > > medium and long term change from the bottom up. > >
> > > The trick will be to suggest, in solidarity with others,
> suggestions that
> > > > can make a positive difference through
> > > legislative changes. there are > many many pitfalls ( eg will local
> > > grass roots suggestions simply tend to > promote the interests of the
> > > haves versus the have-nots?) but this is an > important Act, which we
> > > need to get our collective heads around.. This > will be an annual
> process;
> > > the first wave is happening now. > > Find out more from
> > > Local Works, the campaigning organisation who have been > behind
> the Act,
> > > on http://www.localworks.org/ > > Happy spring time, all ( at
> > > least, to all in UK - happy times to others > elsewhere) . >
> > > > Annie > > > > >
> > > ________________________________________ > From: The UK Community
> > > Psychology Discussion List >
> > >
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> > > On Behalf Of Frederic Stansfield >
> > >
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> > > > Sent: 09
> > > April 2009 17:07 > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> - BY 30
> > > > APRIL > > I am not sure how to go forward on this.
> > > > > Let's start by thinking how the NHS was originally set up.
> > > It wasn't > totally a top down nationalised industry run from
> > > Whitehall. In fact, much > of it was under the control of local
> > > government. Westminster ran centrally > some parts of the NHS where
> > > national strategic management was necessary > or, as in the case of
> > > teaching hospitals, thought to be necessary. County > Councils ran
> services
> > > that needed to be provided over a fairly wide area > such as the
> Ambulance
> > > Service. But many local services, such as local > hospitals and the
> > > management of GPs, where run by District Councils, under > the powerful
> > > guidance of a doctor who held the position
> > > of Medical Health > Officer. The situation was rather more complicated
> > > because of varying > council repsonsibilities, e.g. many larger towns
> > > and cities were unitary > County Boroughs. But you will get the idea.
> > > The NHS was not a separate > bureaucracy, but an integral part of
> > > British democracyin which > responsibility for each part of the service
> > > was devolved to the lowest > practical level (the European principle of
> > > "Subsiduarity"). And there were > professional advisers to
> > > the decision-makers with sufficient power to stop > elected members
> > > doing silly things through ignorance. > > The trouble was
> > > that professionals didn't like to be accountable > (accountability is
> > > always uncomfortable!). The Tories used this to split > of the NHS into
> > > indirectly appointed authorities in the 1974 > re-organisation of local
> > > Government. Ever since, we have seen > accountability destroyed bit
> by bit,
> > > for instance by replacement of local > suthority nomination of
> > > Health Authority members by Westminster patronage, > and then the
> > > whole charade of private enterprise tendering. The result is > the
> > > badly managed, over-centralised, unfit for purpose, poor value for >
> > > money, shambles that we have today. And the professional doctors
> etc. who
> > > > didn't like oversight by amateurs now find they have got much much
> > > worse. > > Come back to the current discussion. We are being
> > > encouraged to > contribute to a consultation process on improving
> > > market processes within > the NHS. But the idea of an NHS, inherently
> > > a public service, being > submitted to market forces is inherently
> > > flawed. The whole mess is beyond > reform. It needs to be swept
> > > away, as after World War 2 (although with > less compromise to
> > > professional interests) and replaced by a structure > which, as between
> > > 1948 and 1974 but with
> > > improvements, devolves > responsibilty for health services to
> > > directly elected representatives at > the lowest possible level,
> supported
> > > by Medical Officers of Health > combining the role of professional
> > > adviser and chief adminstrator. > > In the case of Community
> > > Psychology, it is difficult to see why services > should not be
> > > provided and administered in electoral units smaller than > the current
> > > English District Authorities. Clinical Psychology may not be >
> devolvable
> > > to quite such an extent, but all the same it could be locally > run
> in the
> > > vast majority of cases. > > If this seems silly, ask yourself why
> > > the United Kingdom's National Health > Service is, I believe, the
> > > third largest employer in the world (after > Indian Railways and the
> > > Chinese Army) when the United Kingdom is nothing > like the third
> largest
> > > country. Surely the answer is that other countries > think it is a
> > > bad way to run a health service (most other Western > countries
> > > use insurance based services with saftey nets). But will a >
> > > Whitehall led consultation take such a glaringly obvious point on
> board?
> > > > You know the answer, don't you. > > If we want UK
> > > health services brought back under democratic control, > wherever
> > > possible under local government, the fundamental question is what >
> > > actions will be effective towards this end. Is responding to a >
> > > consultation process that will only act on answers already sharing
> the >
> > > bueaucrats' mistaken values such an action? > > Frederic
> > > Stansfield > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, CRAIG NEWNES
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > wrote: > From: CRAIG NEWNES
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> - BY 30
> > > > APRIL > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 1:23 AM > > What a lovely
> > > idea "choice" is - for marketeers > Craig >
> > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, Wendy Franks
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> > > > From: Wendy Franks
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
> BY 30
> > > > APRIL > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 12:15 AM > > Hello all,
> > > > > I'm not sure how exactly how to fit it into this argument,
> > > but I'm going > to throw something in anyway, and hope someone who
> > > knows more about it > (...Mark? Carolyn? others?) can help me out with
> > > the details. > > I'm learning a
> > > bit about Boundary Critique at the moment, and am hoping to > find
> > > it useful in developing some coherence for myself around >
> > > participatory research. I wonder if it is helpful in this argument
> too.
> > > > As far as I can reasonably simplify it (always tricky to simplify
> > > > something complex that you're in the early stages of grasping, so
> > > sorry > about this), Boundary Critique enables us to take a critical
> > > position on > where/how/with whom we draw the boundaries around an
> object
> > > of discussion, > interest, study, etc. In a way, it reminds me a bit
> > > of quantum uncertainty > in physics (of which I also have a very, very
> > > tentative grasp!) - in that > - the way in which you choose to
> measure a
> > > phenomenon (as a wave or > particle for example) has an impact on the
> > > measurement you get. In this > case, we can make choices about
> whether we
> > > look at the NHS as though it is > a market, and make certain
> > > judgements and claims about it on that basis. > Another of many
> > > options is that we can also look at it as if it is a > service
> > > (shock, horror!) that is, as John Cromby expressed it, something >
> that is
> > > there to care for, heal and if we could so imagine, even nurture > us.
> > > > > Each way of addressing the issue at hand is likely to produce
> > > different > conclusions. Of the things that I find appealing about
> > > Boundary Critique > (as described by Midgley, 2000, in 'Systemic
> > > Intervention'), is the > recognition of the role of ethics and
> > > values in informing the judgements > we make. > > I think
> > > my point might be something like this: > Of course we can look at
> > > everything we do as if it is in some way driven > by a market and
> all the
> > > stuff that gets exchanged in that market as > commodoties.
> > > > Or we can choose to conceptualise all of those things in
> different terms,
> > > > and make
> > > different judgements about them informed by other frameworks. >
> > > > I think I'll leave it there for now. I'm only half way through
> > > Midgley's > book, it's getting late, and I might get a bit unstuck!
> > > > > Of course, it would be great for me if someone with a
> > > better understanding > could suggest how Boundary Critique could
> > > help with this argument. Always > good to have an idea of how theory
> > > works in practice. > > Thanks, > > Wendy
> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John McGowan
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > wrote: > From: John McGowan
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY
> > > 30 > APRIL > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April,
> > > 2009, 9:58 PM > > > I clearly did an absolutely
> > > rubbish job of trying say what I was trying to > say > about
> > > markets. The gist of it was that marketisation of the NHS might not
> > be a
> > > > completely unalloyed evil and that "resisting it
> > > absolutly" might be > going a bit far. I realise this view might
> > > be a tough sell in this crowd > but > it's worth go. >
> > > > Penny Priest came closest to what I was meaning I think when she
> said
> > > > mentioned > market corrections. I've been wondering lately if
> > > markets (as opposed to > The > Market) are quite as bad as I thought
> > > they were in say 1985. For starters > we're all part of them. Every
> > > time we by or choose somethine we're part > of a process of
> > > compiling collective judgements on commodities or services > or >
> > > innovations. This goes from which which care we drive, coffe we
> drink ISP >
> > > hosting the community psych
> > > website or whatever. Some things flourish and > other >
> > > things don't make the cut and often the way that gets decided is by a
> > > > bunch > of collective judgements saying one thing is more
> > > suitable than another. > You may > not always think we get
> > > it right (my wife would rather we used hot air > balloons >
> > > instead of planes) but a lot of the time we do. All of these
> activities >
> > > are > basically are markets choosing one thing over another and
> there is
> > > quite a > bit > of literature on the conditions needed for them to
> > > function well or badly. > > One of the features of the NHS is
> > > that it has adopted certain market > principles > but is less
> > > engaged with others. If two groups are tendering for a service > it is
> > > > possible to choose one group over another on the basis that
> > > they're > cheaper > but the two basically selling the
> > > same thing: whats recommended by
> > > NICE. > We get > the cost control side but not the
> > > innovation that would happen in a real > business. > >
> > > The reason for using IAPT as an example (other than the special
> feeling
> > > > help > for it on this list) is that I think it is worth
> > > appropriating commercial > language to point out that one way of
> looking
> > > at it is as a very poor > business > model. In some ways its
> > > like if Lord Layard took over my local shop. > Implausibile and not
> > > entirley reassuring given his record bu who knows > where >
> > > this recession might lead. You can imagine how his plan would look. >
> > > > "We have good professional evidence that bread is a versatile
> > > product and > will be very popular therfore that's what I will
> > > sell. My advisors in the > baking industry assure me that the trials
> > > they've conducted will translate > into consumer demand".
> > > > > At this point I'd be inclinded to
> > > toddle along and ask a few obvious > questions: > Q: Don't you
> > > think it might be worth selling other products? What about > milk or
> > > cheese? > A: As and when the evidence becomes available we will
> consider
> > > stocking > other > things, but my baking advisers point out
> > > dairy products have been sold for > years > without RCT
> > > evidence of consumer appeal. > > Q:You don't think this bread
> > > thing is a passing fancy then? Surely there > is > evidence for
> > > other things > A: The bulk of the evidence is mainly there for bread
> > > so that's the way > we're going. > > Q: I at
> > > least fancy a few lentils or maybe some baked beans. > A: I am
> convinded
> > > that "third-wave" breads such as wholemeal and > multigrain can
> > > address consumer demand in these areas. > > > I could
> > > (and I'm sure you could) go on and on but I think that joke has >
> > > gone too far already. In this
> > > situation I could do one of two things. One > would > be
> > > to go and get evidence for the saleability of beans, chocolate, Cillit
> > > > Bang, > Sepcial Brew or whatever else I fancied. this would
> > > probably take a few > years. > The other (which ould take 5
> > > minutes) would be to go to the shop down the > road >
> > > along with most of the other people in my neighbourhood and watch
> Lord L's
> > > > shop close after a few days. > > My point is really
> > > that in the NHS its difficult to go to the IAPT service > down
> > > > the road beacuse there isn't one. If there was (and I'd be happy
> > > to take > tenders for 173 million from users of this list) it might
> just
> > > turn out to > be > better. > > Its always
> > > been difficult to get this sort of market aggregation of > judgements
> > > > in the NHS. Darzi's proposals might actually lead to some kind effect
> > > of > collective judgement around some
> > > aspects of GP services (i.e. the surgery > with > rude staff
> > > and a crappy appointment system may have to shape up). Making > such
> > > > judgements around competing variations on something like IAPT
> would need
> > > a > lot > of thought. I'm not for a moment trying to contend
> > > that this is an ideal > solution but in the face of the NICE guidelines
> > > I'm wondering if we need > more not less of this. >
> > > > Happy Easter > > John > >
> > > > ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan, >
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> > > Development, > Canterbury > Christchurch University, Salomons
> > > Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge > Wells > Kent TN3 0TG
> > > +44 (0)1892 507778
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> > > >
> > > ________________________________ > > From: The UK
> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG > NEWNES
> > > > Sent: Wed 08/04/2009 4:53 PM > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY
> > > 30 > APRIL > > > Anyone with responsibility
> > > for budgets in the NHS will recognize this red > herring before you can
> > > say, " THE NHS exists to subsidize Big Pharma and > its PSY
> > > acolytes." For almost 20 years I defended a psy-budget against the >
> > > so-called overspend on GP drug budgets. In 2006 the drug budget in >
> > > Shropshire > was ?5M in the red so the budget managers were told
> to, yet
> > > again, cut > posts to > pay the bill. The NHS is already a
> > > marketplace. Thank goodness that the > IAPT > scheme will
> > > enable all these unemployed NHS staff to go to CBT therapists
> > > > and - > er - get jobs as cleaners or whatever. >
> > > Craig > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John Cromby
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >
> > > > > From: John Cromby
> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - >
> > > BY 30 APRIL > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > Our
> > > health needs and social care needs have been thoroughly > distorted by
> > > > top-down policy imperatives and so-called 'evidence based
> > > > practice', > and > consistently subordinated to budgetary
> > > constraints that prioritise > the > fighting > of
> > > neo-colonial wars. Meanwhile, on the home front the 'war on >
> > > terror' > legitimates extensive and growing government spending
> > > on > technologies to > monitor > and control us rather
> > > than care for, heal or - dare I even say it > - nurture > us.
> > > > Legitimate challenges to this insane situation, this situation >
> > > structured by > an > insane rationality, are increasingly
> > > portrayed as 'extremist'. > And, > consonant with its
> > > own rational insanity, the reproduction of this > exploitative
> > > > social order is to be achieved by any means that those in power >
> > > imagine that > they can get away with. As of today, it seems that
> this can
> > > even > include > telling > lies about and excusing the
> > > death of a bystander caught up in last > week's > anti-G20
> > > demonstrations in London: Ian Tomlinson, who was beaten > and
> pushed to
> > > > the floor by the police, without provocation, just minutes before
> > > > he died of a > heart attack. > > In this
> > > rationally insane situation, insane
> > > solutions to > manufactured problems > can gain a
> > > superficial appeal. Marketisation of the NHS or social > care is just
> > > > such an insane solution. We should resist it absolutely. >
> > > > J. > > > > > John McGowan
> > > wrote: > > This is extremely interesting. Thank you so much for
> > > sending it > to the > list. > > I've been
> > > thinking recently however that perhaps an increase in > certain kinds
> > > marketisation might actually be a helpful in the > NHS. In some
> > > > way > markets (i.e. aggregating the people's decisions about
> > > alternative > business > models) could potentially provide an
> > > alternative to the rigidity > of the NICE > guidelines. The Dazi
> > > review tries to create a market of sorts > through, > nominally
> > > > at least, prioritising choice. > > IAPT is potentially
> > > quite a good example of where markets > might >
> > > actually > help. I can't help feeling that if there was 173
> > > million quid > available > and > the question of improving
> > > return to (and retention within) work > was put out to > tender
> > > some very innovative proposals (including some from members > of this
> > > > list) > might have come back. Perhaps they might even have
> > > produced better > results > than > the plan
> > > we've got! > > John McGowan > > > >
> > > ________________________________ > > > > From: The UK
> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of > Wendy >
> > > Franks > > Sent: Tue 07/04/2009 9:23 PM > > To:
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
> > > > BY 30 > APRIL > > > > > >
> > > Hello all, > > In case you are not already receiving these
> > > emails, here's an > opportunity to voice your objections. All the
> > > best, Wendy > > > > > > > > >
> > > > From NHS Support Federation, a founder organisation of > Keep
> > > Our NHS > Public > > NHS services are now to be provided
> > > by a wide range of > organisations all > competing within a market.
> > > The new Co-operation and Competition > Panel >
> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/> for NHS-funded services is to help >
> > > deliver > the supposed benefits of competition. It will investigate
> > > > potential breaches > of > the Principles and Rules >
> > >
> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf>
> > > > as defined by the Department of Health. It will also advise the
> > > > Department of > Health and the foundation trust regulator
> > > Monitor. The > Co-operation and > Competition Panel is a misnomer
> > > as its
> > > remit is weighted so > heavily in favour > of >
> > > promoting competition, whilst neglecting the considerable benefits >
> > > of > cooperation. > > > > We need your help to
> > > respond forcefully to the Panel's > current > consultation and
> > > to lobby MPs. Please write a letter objecting to > the > imposition
> > > > of competition and commercial values on the NHS and raising the >
> > > crucial > questions listed below. Send your letter to the Co-operation
> > > and > Competition > Panel at the address below and a copy to your MP.
> > > > > > > Send to: Interim Guidelines Consultation, >
> > > Cooperation and Competition > Panel, 1 Horse Guards Road, London,
> > > SW1A 2HQ or email >
> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>.
> > > Respond by 30 April. > > > > Points to make: > >
> > > > > 1. Will the panel ensure that the
> > > alternative of a > publicly led service > is included in
> > > consultations about future tenders? 2. Is > the duplication of >
> > > services to produce choice a good use of resources which > constitutes
> > > economic > efficiency, especially given that the benefits of
> > > competition in > healthcare > are > unproven (indeed Minster of
> > > State Ben Bradshaw said that the "mix > of > competition and
> > > co-operation in the NHS is a unique model in the > world")? >
> > > 3. Will the tendering process be fair and > transparent, with no
> > > discrimination > against NHS organisations in favour of either
> > > commercial or > voluntary bodies > or > social
> > > enterprises? 4. Will the public be consulted on an > ongoing basis
> > > about > local tenders e.g. via local involvement networks (LINks)?
> > > 5. > Will the panel > foster co-operation not only between
> > > commissioners and providers, > but between
> > > > providers, a hope expressed by Richard Taylor MP in a debate in
> > > > Parliament on > 24 > February? > > > >
> > > > > It is vital to protect and promote a publicly led NHS >
> > > which has an ethos > which is truly patient-centred. We must insist
> to the
> > > Panel that > our > objections > to the notion of a health
> > > service based on a competitive market > are widely > shared. With
> > > your help we must ensure that our views are not > ignored. >
> > > > > > You can see the consultation paper >
> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf> , the >
> > > four > guidance documents which are the subject of the consultation,
> > > and > the response > template at >
> > >
> http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html.
> > > > > > > > > Please send us copies of your letters or
> > > emails. Thanks > for your help.
> > > > > NHS Support Federation > > > > >
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