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Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity

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Hi Craig, you've mentioned this a couple of times now and it would  be interesting to hear more about it. Both the notion that human activity has limited influence over climate (I presume you might have someone like Bjorn Lomborg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg in mind?) and the kind of vested interests crerading and plugging this concept might serve.
 
John 
 
________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan, Year/Academic Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development, Canterbury Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge Wells Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778 [log in to unmask] www.salomonscaspd.org.uk www.canterbury.ac.uk 

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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG NEWNES
Sent: Fri 17/04/2009 11:30 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity


Does ANYONE on the list understand that the "idea" of climate change serves vested interests?
Craig

--- On Fri, 17/4/09, John McGowan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


	From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
	Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity
	To: [log in to unmask]
	Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 9:19 PM
	
	
	A little late to this. The prospect of a conference on these issues sounds very
	interesting. I'm genuinely curious as to the contribution psychological
	thinking can make in these areas. Had a look at the Manchester website. It looks
	as if it is quite conprehensive in some ways. It does however seem to place
	grerat faith in local production of commodities as a way of reducing carbon
	emmissions. This often seems quite questionable. My view of this is a little
	skewed I think by my local transition town group (Lewes in East Sussex) who
	basically seem to be a club of middle class people who really struggle to say
	anything relevant to the wider community and place all thier faith in the notion
	of local purchasing and a large (and incredibly widely publicised) LETs scheme
	which seems to have little demostrable value beyond novelty.
	 
	 
	I also wonder about if a climate change adgenda with a social justice one as
	the two may not always be the most natural bedfellows. Obviously the reality is
	that poor people tend to get disproportionately screwed by climate change but
	the debate often tends to scapegoat them too (flying too much, or shopping in
	ASDA os whatever etc). It leaves me curious as to how, short of taking a
	completely dystopian view that the collapse of many familier entities is
	imminent, is is possible to involve wider communities in initiatives relevant to
	them. Especially in tough economic times wiere the low road to ASDA may look
	more attractive.
	 
	There is a case to be made that a number of capitalist tools such as managed
	markets might have some controbution to make if the caps can be brought low
	enough. This kind of tool does seem to have had a powerful effect on acid rain.
	 
	Anyway, friday night and perhaps am not making much sense.
	 
	John
	 
	 
	 
	________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan, Year/Academic
	Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development, Canterbury
	Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge Wells
	Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778 [log in to unmask]
	www.salomonscaspd.org.uk www.canterbury.ac.uk 
	
	________________________________
	
	From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Annie Mitchell
	Sent: Wed 15/04/2009 3:28 PM
	To: [log in to unmask]
	Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change -
	room for equality and diversity
	
	
	
	Yes. Following though on this link, you can find
	
	in an interview reported on BBC home page, Ian Stewart from University of
	Plymouth School of Earth, Ocean and Environmental Science who presented BBC
	Earth: Climate Wars, saying stuff that surely should give us pause as
	(community) psychologists and get us thinking about our role/contribution ( or
	lack of so far)  (I've cut and pasted):
	
	 
	
	If society is to make any progress on effectively dealing with climate change
	at a regional or global level, what is imperative is that ordinary people help
	build a political climate at grass-roots level that accepts the problem exists
	and demands some serious actions by business and government. For me, that begins
	with people accepting that there is no hiding place left in the science - the
	overwhelming consensus of the vast body of scientists that study climate is that
	the trends we are seeing in the air, the oceans and in our ecosystems are
	entirely consistent with the theory of global warming, while the alternatives
	offered by sceptical scientists - even the much heralded role of the Sun - so
	far fail that test. 
	
	  
	
	Blaming scientific uncertainty is now not an option to delay action. Sure,
	actions by individuals can make a difference, but real progress will only come
	when individuals come together with a strong, common voice to demand that
	rhetoric turns into regulation. And that's where I see my role - in
	convincing ordinary folk that this is an issue that they should care about, not
	because it will affect them but, more insidiously, it will be their legacy to
	their kids and grandkids.
	
	
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	From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
	[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of richard pemberton
	Sent: 15 April 2009 14:33
	To: [log in to unmask]
	Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change -
	room for equality and diversity
	
	 
	
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	Richard
	
	 
	
	On 4/15/09, CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
	
	The "idea" of climate change is indeed promoted by individual action
	with vested interest (selling tropical plants in Halifax, anyone). But
	"climate change" happens in cycles far removed from human endeavour.
	The climate is way beyond human control or influence - unlike newspaper articles
	which are wriiten by over-excited "experts" getting their slice of
	cake.
	
	Craig
	
	--- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
	 
	
		From: David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>
		Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change -
	room for equality and diversity
		To: [log in to unmask]
		Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 11:53 PM 
	
		 
	
		Hi Craig,
	
		 
	
		Obvious but ... to assert that destructive climate change has been brought
	about by the behaviours  (or actions as I prefer prefer) of individual people
	and that it can be reversed or prevented from getting even worse by
	psychologists changing the behaviour or action of individual people one at a
	time, as 'institutional' psychologists do, even if they were effective
	in doing so which, as you say, is not the case, is not only silly but hugely
	problematic at practical, theoretical and ideological levels. That needs
	pointing out ... but we claim as 'community' psychologists to know
	something about less problematic ways of deploying psychology. So why not do
	both through a uk ccp climate change initiative? No point in pointing at the
	mainstream acritical institutional psychologists saying 'told you so' as
	the water covers all our heads?
	
		 
	
		By the way I am not sure psychologists need to know a lot about behaviour
	change to be complicit in it happening ... the roles of psychology in
	governmentality and control of behaviour / action) have been pretty persuasively
	spelled out by Foucault and Rose in my view.
	
		 
	
		David       
		 
	
		 
	
		
	________________________________
	
	
		From: CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]>
		To: [log in to unmask]
		Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 23:01:19
		Subject: Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and
	diversity
	
	David, Psychologists know FUCK ALL about behaviour change. As you know, it just
	happens, and we don't know why (even if you were to believe in the rather
	silly concept of "why"). To claim they know might give them 5 minutes
	of fame but, hey, look what just happened to "financial experts"
	
	Cx
	
	--- On Tue, 14/4/09, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
	 
	
		From: Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]>
		Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate change -
	room for equality and diversity
		To: [log in to unmask]
		Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:56 PM
	
		Hi Craig,     I agree that any achieved progressive change would be wonderful
	and worth more  than any number of futile gestures. I agree that any small
	achievable change re  psy complex tyranny would be really worthwhile but think
	any small achievable  change re climate change would be worthwhile too (both may
	be possible  simultaneously given some psy-complexperimenters' insistence
	that climate  change can be addressed through behaviour change)  - we would not
	need to  address the whole problem of climate change (or psycomplex tyranny) in
	order to  achieve something worthwhile? However there seems to be enthusiasm
		 on the list  to see what we can offer distinctively as community critical
	psychologists in  relation to climate change so why not go for that as a
	starting place?       David    ________________________________    From: The UK
	Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG NEWNES  Sent: Tue
	14/04/2009 22:00  To: [log in to unmask]  Subject: Re: UKCP
	Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and  diversity     
	Some time ago I suggested that the list considers putting effort (not talk) 
	into ONE small achievable change. Climate Change seems a little - er - big and 
	way outside of human, let alone Community Psychology control. It's not as if
	 there aren't countless groups protesting, marching, publicly debating the 
	economics of American and post-industrial exploitation etc, etc. Agreeing on ONE
	 focus does not take away from the need to address process, mutual respect and
	so  on but it might make a small difference -
		 to us and the wider community. We  could, for example, as a group voacalise
	the need for a ban on psychiatric and  psychological diagnoses. We could fight
	for ONE example of the PSYcomplex's  tyranny to be overturned - e.g., there
	is a case in Holland of parents trying to  have their son killed (euthanased) on
	the basis he is diagnosed with ADHD - this  has been in the courts for three
	years and has yet to appear in the UK press. In  a way, it doesn't matter
	which target we aim at, as long as it is  achievable. After all cling film was
	originally designed exclusively for the  Apollo missions - and now it's
	taken over the world.  Craig    --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer
	<[log in to unmask]> wrote:              From: David Fryer
	<[log in to unmask]>    Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference
	addressing climate change - room  for equality and diversity    To:
	[log in to unmask]       Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:36 AM    
	      
		       Dear Jacqui            I will reply separately to the two issues so
	they  have different subject  lines for ongoing discussion              In case
	it was not clear I agree that equality and diversity are absolutely  key issues
	in relation to climate change and would hope and expect that they  would be
	addressed either directly or indirectly in all conference debates. But  I am
	suggesting we try to focus debate at our conferences rather more in the  future
	than in the past. I suggest a community critical conference focusing on  climate
	change which addressed issues of equality, diversity, participation,  power,
	ideology, praxis, poverty in relation to climate change would be exciting  and
	potentially more productive re leading to action than our meetings have  tended
	to be recently. I think a title directing people to the focal issue of  climate
	change from a community critical perspective and some fairly tight  reviewing of
	submissions could help produce a more
		 focused and more effective  conference whilst still making room for all.     
	     Of course we will all have ideas and it will be the conference organisers
	...  Annie, Lisa and their colleagues who should decide on what form the
	conference  takes if they decide they are going to proceed but I took Annie to
	request list  people to contribute their ideas etc so am glad you and I are
	doing so                Since my earlier message I heard of a conference which
	may also be of interest  not so much because many of us will be able to  present
	actually or virtually  but because it illustrates a different and interesting
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		 ________________________________     From: jacqui lovell
	<[log in to unmask]>         To: [log in to unmask]  
	Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 5:01:29         Subject: Re: UKCP Conference
	addressing climate change from a community  critical standpoint?          
	"tetchy" David, I prefer to think that from the frustration comes  the
	growth!                I agree with David that a focus may be good but can we
	leave room for equality  and diversity in this as well please Annie, I like your
	original title,  "equality, sustainability and community well-being"
	as this has room  for all.                    Jac                               
	       ________________________________      Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:45:58
	+0000         From: [log in to unmask]        Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
	UKCP Conference addressing climate change from a  community critical standpoint?
	        To: [log in to unmask]                   Dear Annie,       
	    I think your tentative suggestion of the UKCP Conference
		 addressing climate  change from a community critical standpoint is really
	valuable. We seem to have  got into a pattern of organising our conferences to
	be as wide in topic as  possible so that anyone interested in CP could present
	whatever they are doing.  That is well intentioned but leads to very general
	conference conference  reflected in all inclusive titles (even 'Equality,
	Sustainability and  Community Well-Being' verges on that). That has been OK
	up to a point but we  have had some rather unfocused and sometimes defensive or
	even tetchy meetings.  I think it is worth trying a different tack. I think
	going for a specific  focused problem such as climate change, ensuring it is
	addressed searchingly  from a community critical psychology perspective, and
	designing it from the  start to be ecologically sound in process (e.g. reducing
	its carbon footprint)  and action oriented in outcome, would be good. In line
	with our approach, this  can be
		 inclusive in the sense that people need not be experts in climate change  to
	contribute but can apply whatever experience, interests and skills they have  to
	climate change issues. For example there has been a lot of interest in the  NHS
	and 'the market' on this list lately and some might like to think  about
	how the NHS and/or market are related to climate change.  Others might be 
	interested in interrelations between poverty and climate change ... you might 
	remember that Cathy McCormack talked to us at one conference about radical 
	tenants' activism in relation to damp housing, health and mental health 
	which also addressed climate changes (the poorest in Glasgow were spending 
	massive proportions of their inadequate benefit to heat the sky yet shivering 
	and suffering damp related illness and misery. Others with participatory working
	 skills might like to think how to deploy them re climate change. Others can 
	develop effective praxis in related to
		 climate change. Others can critique the  discipline of psychology in relation
	to climate change etc. I think there is a  lot of important international
	lessons to learn. For example Trisha Conway  taught me recently that middle
	class climate change activists have much to learn  from the US environmental
	justice movement within which poor Americans, often  black, have collectively
	fearlessly challenged the (re) location of their  communities in ecologically
	toxic sites.                 I strongly support you in thinking about hosting
	the next CP conference in  Devon in Spring 2010 but when you are thinking about
	dates please remember the  III International Conference on Community Psychology
	will be held in Puebla,  México, from 3rd to 5th June 2010 please try to avoid
	a clash of dates as some  - including me - might want to attend both. Just
	before or just after would be  great (for me)             David       
	________________________________      From: Annie
		 Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>    To:
	[log in to unmask]         Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 18:45:25   
	     Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
	market-based  NHS - BY 30 APRIL                   Dear David and all,           
	Seems unlikely  to be a co-incidence, as you say - frustrating process and v 
	unsettling as you say re mainstream academic and applied psychology uncritical 
	position re climate change  - and it sounds from what you say that the latest 
	planned BPS event will, true to current BPS form, be pretty uncritical...be 
	great if we as community psychologists could assemble a more critical take 
	(beyond " large scale behaviour change projects" ), that puts together
	 the social inequalities agenda, along  with the  climate change/peak oil issue 
	and economic collapse ( linking perhaps with some of the more critical medics 
	who are writing on this topic using public health arguments as their way in) . I
	 thought
		 that mark's essay on the site he posted us to came the closest yet  of
	anything I;ve read to do that - ( do read it everyone who is interested in  this
	debate!); also there is a  good chapter on this in Richard Wilkinson's/ 
	kate Picket's  Spirit Level isnt there  .                 A community psych
	conference might be a good way to take a more critical  stance... lisa thorne
	and i are  hoping to be able to announce via this list  by  end of April that we
	would be willing and able to host next conference  in Devon  spring 2010, but we
	are still not  certain ... meantime, at this pre-planning  stage - any comments
	re whether this would make a good conference theme very  welcome.: we are
	thinking so far  something along the lines of "equality,  sustainability
	and community well-being".            Good wishes,           Annie         
	             ________________________________________      From: The UK
	Community Psychology Discussion List  [[log in to unmask]] On
	Behalf Of
		 David Fryer  [[log in to unmask]]     Sent: 10 April 2009 11:31     
	To: [log in to unmask]       Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] thanks
	Annie  Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say  no to a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL   
	           Dear Annie and  everyone on this list,                Annie wrote
	"I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a  "high
	level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't  happen for
	some reason ( unexplained)."                Here is an explanation. There
	are two parts to the explanation.                 After consulting people who
	had been elected Fellows of the BPS (collectively  sometimes known as 'The
	College of Fellows') the Committee of the  College of Fellows of the BPS, of
	which I was a member and then Chairperson,  decided to address a series of
	issues identified by Fellows as important. The  first of these was a day
	conference on community psychology. This was held in  London. Half of the day
	involved presentations by Ed Cairns
		 (Northern Ireland),  Serdar Degirmencioglu (Turkey), Reachout Mental Health
	Expressive Arts group  (Scotland), Cathy McCormack (Scotland) and me. The second
	half was  discussion.  As you can tell it was critical in standpoint. It was a
	sell out. The second  issue to be addressed was 'psychology and climate
	change'. Lots of  effort went into planning this, a date was set and Ian
	Parker invited as Key  Speaker and accepted. Ian was preparing his talk which
	promised to argue  something along the lines that neo-liberal manifestations of
	capitalism required  the rape of the planet and the exploitation of its peoples
	and psychology was  complicit with the maintenance of the current neo-liberal
	status quo. Officers  of the BPS then got in touch with the CoF and told us that
	the Society had  decided to put a lot of resources and effort into a big climate
	change event,  that the CoF climate change event could  detract / distract
	attention from this  /duplicate /
		 etc and asked if the CoF would go in with the bigger event instead  of doing
	its own thing. After much agonising the CoF decided to do that but only  on
	condition that the invitation issued to Ian Parker was honoured and he spoke  at
	the bigger do. That was agreed at the time. See below. Note here though that 
	shortly after this, the Society decided to reconsider if there was a role for 
	the CoF and eventually decided there was not and to wind it up and that has now 
	happened.                As Chair of the CoF I had been asked to sit on a
	Society Committee to develop  the bigger Climate Change event. It was made clear
	at the first meeting that the  new committee did not consider itself bound by
	the decision to invite Ian Parker  to address the new conference and decided not
	to do so. There were quite a few  meetings and a lot of work was done. I was not
	that happy with the discussions  myself as it seemed to me to be largely
	acritical and individualistic. 
		 Nevertheless I persisted in arguing for community psychology and critical
	inputs  at the conference. Then out of the blue the BPS decided that it was in
	financial  difficulties, that it needed to trim its activities and suddenly the
	climate  change conference - even in its incipient conservative version -  was
	put on the  back burner. Even so the committee persisted and the latest plans
	are for a half  day meeting maybe in October which will publicise
	multi-disciplinary and  multi-centred large scale behaviour change projects
	drawing on psychological  research at the principle research centres and then
	give short presentations on  contributions of health, counselling, clinical,
	organisational & community  psychology               I think there is
	something very coincidental about two climate change  conferences being
	cancelled. I also think there i something very unsettling  about the uncritical
	position of mainstream psychology re climate change. 
		 Psychology and climate change is at risk of becoming a middle class hobby
	horses  concerned with getting people to recycle their claret bottles. The
	complicity of  institutional psychology (including clinical psychology) with the
	preservation  of the neo-liberal status quo which is hell bent on exploitative
	expansionism  damaging people and ecosystems is not receiving the critique it
	requires.            David               ________________________________     
	From: Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>       To:
	[log in to unmask]   Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009 8:15:05       
	Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based 
	NHS - BY 30 APRIL              thanks Mark excellent links. So great to read
	what you are doing in  Manchester. Here in Devon some of us are involved in the
	Transition Town  movement.               Working with others re climate change
	surely should  be now our top priority   . It links with everything community
		 psychology is about: challenging power and  vested interests re consumerism
	and capitalism, bottom up political action,  reducing social inequalities
	internationally as well as nationally, linking  local l with global concerns; 
	community well-being and resilience with  sustainability etc etc; not to mention
	leaving a world behind so  our  grandchildren can live.  It is very
	disappointing how behind the times both  academic and applied psychology is on
	this topic; I know there was a recent  special issue in the Psychologist
	recently with a few good articles ( none very  radical though) but for example
	almost every issue now of BMJ has climate  change/ public health in there
	somewhere.            I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a
	"high level" BPS  event planning re climate change which didn't
	happen for some reason (  unexplained) .                 Now - if I were less of
	a luddite I guess this is the moment when I should  turn to the new technology
		 Grant has initiated for us,  as there are at least 2  different topics
	budding off here: save our NHS ( can Sustainable Communities  Act help etc etc);
	climate change action ( what could/shuld community  psycholgists do etc etc).   
	          Annie               ________________________________________     
	From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List 
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	On Behalf Of Mark Burton 
	[[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]     Sent: 09 April
	2009 23:26      To: 
	[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>   
	 Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] thanks Annie  Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to 
	a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL             Thanks Annie   Good to see you are
	ative onclimate change - despite my recent attempts ther  has been almost zero
	interest from the list on this and related topics.   Anyway I'm quite busy
	on a couple of inititiatives  
		       http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/  includes my latest analysis
	of th  'crisis'       http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/        
	   Mark                        > further to my email below , here attached
	for those who want to know  more,         > or who want to alert others, the
	Local Works guide to the Sustainable     > Communitities Act.    >      
	> Annie        >       >       >
	________________________________________     >       From: The UK Community
	Psychology Discussion List       > 
	[[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] 
	On Behalf Of Annie Mitchell     > 
	[[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]     
	 > Sent: 09 April 2009 22:31      > To: 
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	 > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30  
	  > APRIL        >         > I wonder whether actions under the
	umbrella of the new
		 Sustainable   > Communitites Act may be medium/ long term helpful re NHS (
	and  potentially    > in other socially progressive ways too).    >      
	> This Act is being described ( by some) as the biggest constitutional    
	> change in UK for decades.       >       > I have been exploring it
	because our local climate change organisations         > in Devon are very
	hopeful that it may assist with democratic grass roots    > bottom up change
	towards dealing with/ mitigating the effects of climate        > change and
	peak oil. I haven't fully got my head around it but I;ll  do my         
	> best to explain as I understand it - and would be keen to have comments    
	  > from others - eg Mark -( I know you are active re climate change/        
	> chaos) ? - who know more than me:   >       > The general idea is
	that the Act enables local authorities ( they can to          > chose whether
	to opt in) to receive, consider and put forward for  national      >
		 consideration, locally prioritised suggestions from local individuals or  
	> organisations about changes in central government legislation that would,  
	> if enacted, help build more sustainable communitities ie enhance ,     >
	social, economic and environmental functioning . These local suggestions    >
	will then go to a panel at central level, who will decide on national       
	> priorities. Central government has a duty to reach agreement on how to  
	> take ( some of) these forward; with a published action plan on which       
	> central government may be held to account by the electorate. The new bit   
	   > here is the duty to reach agreement, so this is ( in theory anyway) not 
	  > just another empty consultative process. It's ( intended to be) about
	      > medium and long term change from the bottom up.     >         >
	The trick will be to suggest, in solidarity with others, suggestions that       
	 > can make a positive difference through
		 legislative changes. there are       > many many pitfalls ( eg will local
	grass roots suggestions simply tend to    > promote the interests of the
	haves versus the have-nots?) but this is an         > important Act, which we
	need to get our collective heads around.. This   > will be an annual process;
	the first wave is happening now.         >       > Find out more from
	Local Works, the campaigning organisation who have  been   > behind the Act,
	on http://www.localworks.org/       >       > Happy spring time, all ( at
	least, to all in UK - happy times to others   > elsewhere) .         >    
	    > Annie        >       >       >       >       >
	________________________________________     >       From: The UK Community
	Psychology Discussion List       > 
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	On Behalf Of Frederic Stansfield        > 
	[[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]   
	 > Sent: 09
		 April 2009 17:07     > To: 
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	 > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30  
	  > APRIL        >         > I am not sure how to go forward on this.  
	 >       > Let's start by thinking how the NHS was originally set up.
	It  wasn't        > totally a top down nationalised industry run from
	Whitehall. In fact,  much          > of it was under the control of local
	government. Westminster ran  centrally         > some parts of the NHS where
	national strategic management was necessary          > or, as in the case of
	teaching hospitals, thought to be necessary. County   > Councils ran services
	that needed to be provided over a fairly wide area   > such as the Ambulance
	Service. But many local services, such as local       > hospitals and the
	management of GPs, where run by District Councils,  under     > the powerful
	guidance of a doctor who held the position
		 of Medical Health    > Officer. The situation was rather more complicated
	because of varying        > council repsonsibilities, e.g. many larger towns
	and cities were unitary        > County Boroughs. But you will get the idea.
	The NHS was not a separate       > bureaucracy, but an integral part of
	British democracyin which     > responsibility for each part of the service
	was devolved to the lowest      > practical level (the European principle of
	"Subsiduarity"). And  there were        > professional advisers to
	the decision-makers with sufficient power to  stop        > elected members
	doing silly things through ignorance.        >       > The trouble was
	that professionals didn't like to be accountable     > (accountability is
	always uncomfortable!). The Tories used this to split       > of the NHS into
	indirectly appointed authorities in the 1974     > re-organisation of local
	Government. Ever since, we have seen   > accountability destroyed bit by bit,
		 for instance by replacement of local        > suthority nomination of
	Health Authority members by Westminster  patronage,         > and then the
	whole charade of private enterprise tendering. The result is          > the
	badly managed, over-centralised, unfit for purpose, poor value for       >
	money, shambles that we have today. And the professional doctors etc. who       
	 > didn't like oversight by amateurs now find they have got much much 
	worse.    >       > Come back to the current discussion. We are being
	encouraged to       > contribute to a consultation process on improving
	market processes within         > the NHS. But the idea of an NHS, inherently
	a public service, being      > submitted to market forces is inherently
	flawed. The whole mess is beyond          > reform. It needs to be swept
	away, as after World War 2 (although with    > less compromise to
	professional interests) and replaced by a structure       > which, as between
	1948 and 1974 but with
		 improvements, devolves       > responsibilty for health services to
	directly elected representatives at    > the lowest possible level, supported
	by Medical Officers of Health         > combining the role of professional
	adviser and chief adminstrator.         >       > In the case of Community
	Psychology, it is difficult to see why services       > should not be
	provided and administered in electoral units smaller than   > the current
	English District Authorities. Clinical Psychology may not be   > devolvable
	to quite such an extent, but all the same it could be locally    > run in the
	vast majority of cases.   >       > If this seems silly, ask yourself why
	the United Kingdom's National  Health     > Service is, I believe, the
	third largest employer in the world (after          > Indian Railways and the
	Chinese Army) when the United Kingdom is nothing     > like the third largest
	country. Surely the answer is that other countries   > think it is a
		 bad way to run a health service (most other Western         > countries
	use insurance based services with saftey nets). But will a         >
	Whitehall led consultation take such a glaringly obvious point on board?    
	> You know the answer, don't you.     >         > If we want UK
	health services brought back under democratic control,      > wherever
	possible under local government, the fundamental question is  what        >
	actions will be effective towards this end. Is responding to a      >
	consultation process that will only act on answers already sharing the    >
	bueaucrats' mistaken values such an action?        >       > Frederic
	Stansfield          >       > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, CRAIG NEWNES 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> 
	wrote:     >         From: CRAIG NEWNES 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>    
	> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30  
		       > APRIL        > To: 
	[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>   
	 > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 1:23 AM      >       > What a lovely
	idea "choice" is - for marketeers     > Craig        >      
	> --- On Thu, 9/4/09, Wendy Franks 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:   
	>       From: Wendy Franks 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>     >
	Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY 30    
	> APRIL        > To: 
	[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>   
	   > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 12:15 AM      >       > Hello all, 
	 >       > I'm not sure how exactly how to fit it into this argument,
	but  I'm going   > to throw something in anyway, and hope someone who
	knows more about it       > (...Mark? Carolyn? others?) can help me out with
	the details.          >       > I'm learning a
		 bit about Boundary Critique at the moment, and am  hoping to       > find
	it useful in developing some coherence for myself around       >
	participatory research. I wonder if it is helpful in this argument too.       
	> As far as I can reasonably simplify it (always tricky to simplify      
	> something complex that you're in the early stages of grasping, so 
	sorry   > about this), Boundary Critique enables us to take a critical
	position on   > where/how/with whom we draw the boundaries around an object
	of  discussion,        > interest, study, etc. In a way, it reminds me a bit
	of quantum  uncertainty   > in physics (of which I also have a very, very
	tentative grasp!) - in that     > - the way in which you choose to measure a
	phenomenon (as a wave or        > particle for example) has an impact on the
	measurement you get. In this   > case, we can make choices about whether we
	look at the NHS as though it  is         > a market, and make certain
		 judgements and claims about it on that basis.       > Another of many
	options is that we can also look at it as if it is a         > service
	(shock, horror!) that is, as John Cromby expressed it, something   > that is
	there to care for, heal and if we could so imagine, even nurture        > us.
	  >       > Each way of addressing the issue at hand is likely to produce
	different         > conclusions. Of the things that I find appealing about
	Boundary Critique     > (as described by Midgley, 2000, in 'Systemic
	Intervention'), is  the     > recognition of the role of ethics and
	values in informing the judgements   > we make.     >       > I think
	my point might be something like this:   > Of course we can look at
	everything we do as if it is in some way driven     > by a market and all the
	stuff that gets exchanged in that market as         > commodoties.        
	> Or we can choose to conceptualise all of those things in different terms,  
	> and make
		 different judgements about them informed by other frameworks.      >      
	> I think I'll leave it there for now. I'm only half way through 
	Midgley's   > book, it's getting late, and I might get a bit unstuck!
	        >       > Of course, it would be great for me if someone with a
	better  understanding         > could suggest how Boundary Critique could
	help with this argument. Always      > good to have an idea of how theory
	works in practice.         >       > Thanks,      >       > Wendy   
	    >         >       >       > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John McGowan 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
	 wrote:      >         From: John McGowan 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
	      > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY
	30     > APRIL        > To: 
	[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>   
	   > Date: Wednesday, 8 April,
		 2009, 9:58 PM        >       >       > I clearly did an absolutely
	rubbish job of trying say what I was trying  to      > say   > about
	markets. The gist of it was that marketisation of the NHS might not    > be a
	        > completely unalloyed evil and that "resisting it
	absolutly"  might be      > going a bit far. I realise this view might
	be a tough sell in this crowd   > but   > it's worth go.       >   
	   > Penny Priest came closest to what I was meaning I think when she said   
	 > mentioned    > market corrections. I've been wondering lately if
	markets (as opposed  to   > The   > Market) are quite as bad as I thought
	they were in say 1985. For starters   > we're all part of them. Every
	time we by or choose somethine  we're part          > of a process of
	compiling collective judgements on commodities or  services      > or    >
	innovations. This goes from which which care we drive, coffe we drink ISP   >
	hosting the community psych
		 website or whatever. Some things flourish and       > other        >
	things don't make the cut and often the way that gets decided is by a    
	> bunch        > of collective judgements saying one thing is more
	suitable than another.       > You may         > not always think we get
	it right (my wife would rather we used hot air    > balloons       >
	instead of planes) but a lot of the time we do. All of these activities     >
	are   > basically are markets choosing one thing over another and there is
	quite  a     > bit   > of literature on the conditions needed for them to
	function well or  badly.      >       > One of the features of the NHS is
	that it has adopted certain market        > principles   > but is less
	engaged with others. If two groups are tendering for a  service      > it is 
	      > possible to choose one group over another on the basis that
	they're         > cheaper      > but the two basically selling the
	same thing: whats recommended by
		 NICE.         > We get       > the cost control side but not the
	innovation that would happen in a real        > business.    >       >
	The reason for using IAPT as an example (other than the special feeling     
	> help         > for it on this list) is that I think it is worth
	appropriating commercial    > language to point out that one way of looking
	at it is as a very poor       > business     > model. In some ways its
	like if Lord Layard took over my local shop.         > Implausibile and not
	entirley reassuring given his record bu who knows     > where        >
	this recession might lead. You can imagine how his plan would look.       >  
	    > "We have good professional evidence that bread is a versatile 
	product and        > will be very popular therfore that's what I will
	sell. My advisors in  the       > baking industry assure me that the trials
	they've conducted will  translate         > into consumer demand".  
	    >       > At this point I'd be inclinded to
		 toddle along and ask a few obvious   > questions:   > Q: Don't you
	think it might be worth selling other products? What  about    > milk or
	cheese?      > A: As and when the evidence becomes available we will consider
	stocking     > other        > things, but my baking advisers point out
	dairy products have been sold  for         > years         > without RCT
	evidence of consumer appeal.    >       > Q:You don't think this bread
	thing is a passing fancy then? Surely  there   > is    > evidence for
	other things         > A: The bulk of the evidence is mainly there for bread
	so that's the  way    > we're going.         >       > Q: I at
	least fancy a few lentils or maybe some baked beans.     > A: I am convinded
	that "third-wave" breads such as wholemeal  and    > multigrain can
	address consumer demand in these areas.     >       >       > I could
	(and I'm sure you could) go on and on but I think that joke  has    >
	gone too far already. In this
		 situation I could do one of two things. One         > would        > be
	to go and get evidence for the saleability of beans, chocolate, Cillit       
	> Bang,        > Sepcial Brew or whatever else I fancied. this would
	probably take a few     > years.         > The other (which ould take 5
	minutes) would be to go to the shop down the         > road         >
	along with most of the other people in my neighbourhood and watch Lord  L's 
	     > shop close after a few days.        >       > My point is really
	that in the NHS its difficult to go to the IAPT  service     > down        
	> the road beacuse there isn't one. If there was (and I'd be happy 
	to take   > tenders for 173 million from users of this list) it might just
	turn out  to         > be    > better.        >       > Its always
	been difficult to get this sort of market aggregation of        > judgements 
	 > in the NHS. Darzi's proposals might actually lead to some kind effect 
	of          > collective judgement around some
		 aspects of GP services (i.e. the surgery    > with         > rude staff
	and a crappy appointment system may have to shape up). Making     > such     
	   > judgements around competing variations on something like IAPT would need
	 a    > lot   > of thought. I'm not for a moment trying to contend
	that this is an  ideal      > solution but in the face of the NICE guidelines
	I'm wondering if we  need    > more not less of this.       >      
	> Happy Easter         >       > John         >       >      
	> ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,   >
	Year/Academic         > Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological
	Development,        > Canterbury     > Christchurch University, Salomons
	Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge      > Wells        > Kent TN3 0TG
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	>
		 ________________________________     >       >       From: The UK
	Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG    > NEWNES      
	> Sent: Wed 08/04/2009 4:53 PM         > To: 
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	     > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY
	30   > APRIL          >       >       > Anyone with responsibility
	for budgets in the NHS will recognize this red    > herring before you can
	say, " THE NHS exists to subsidize Big Pharma  and    > its PSY
	acolytes." For almost 20 years I defended a psy-budget  against the    >
	so-called overspend on GP drug budgets. In 2006 the drug budget in         >
	Shropshire   > was ?5M in the red so the budget managers were told to, yet
	again, cut     > posts to     > pay the bill. The NHS is already a
	marketplace. Thank goodness that the     > IAPT         > scheme will
	enable all these unemployed NHS staff to go to CBT therapists
		       > and -        > er - get jobs as cleaners or whatever.      >
	Craig        >         > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John Cromby 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:   >   
	   >       >         From: John Cromby 
	<[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>      >
	Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -          >
	BY 30 APRIL          > To: 
	[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>   
	 > Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 4:40 PM     >       >       > Our
	health needs and social care needs have been thoroughly       > distorted by 
	       > top-down policy imperatives and so-called 'evidence based   
	> practice',   > and   > consistently subordinated to budgetary
	constraints that prioritise        > the   > fighting     > of
	neo-colonial wars. Meanwhile, on the home front the 'war on      >
	terror'      > legitimates extensive and growing government spending
		 on    > technologies to      > monitor      > and control us rather
	than care for, heal or - dare I even say it          > - nurture    > us. 
	 > Legitimate challenges to this insane situation, this situation     >
	structured by        > an    > insane rationality, are increasingly
	portrayed as 'extremist'.      > And,         > consonant with its
	own rational insanity, the reproduction of this          > exploitative  
	> social order is to be achieved by any means that those in power    >
	imagine that   > they can get away with. As of today, it seems that this can
	even   > include        > telling      > lies about and excusing the
	death of a bystander caught up in last     > week's       > anti-G20
	demonstrations in London: Ian Tomlinson, who was beaten     > and pushed to  
	     > the floor by the police, without provocation, just minutes before    
	> he died of a         > heart attack.         >       > In this
	rationally insane situation, insane
		 solutions to         > manufactured problems        > can gain a
	superficial appeal. Marketisation of the NHS or social    > care is just     
	   > such an insane solution. We should resist it absolutely.    >      
	> J.    >       >       >       >         > John McGowan
	wrote:          > > This is extremely interesting. Thank you so much for
	sending it   > to the       > list.        > > I've been
	thinking recently however that perhaps an increase in   > certain kinds
	marketisation might actually be a helpful in the      > NHS. In some        
	> way   > markets (i.e. aggregating the people's decisions about
	alternative         > business     > models) could potentially provide an
	alternative to the rigidity   > of the NICE   > guidelines. The Dazi
	review tries to create a market of sorts        > through,     > nominally
	   > at least, prioritising choice.        > > IAPT is potentially
	quite a good example of where markets         > might        >
		 actually      > help. I can't help feeling that if there was 173
	million quid      > available      > and   > the question of improving
	return to (and retention within) work   > was put out to       > tender
	some very innovative proposals (including some from members   > of this     
	> list)        > might have come back. Perhaps they might even have
	produced better       > results      > than         > the plan
	we've got!   > > John McGowan       > >     > >
	________________________________   > >     > >      From: The UK
	Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of       > Wendy         >
	Franks       > > Sent: Tue 07/04/2009 9:23 PM      > > To: 
	[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>   
	 > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -     
	> BY 30        > APRIL          > >     > >     > >
	Hello all,         > > In case you are not already receiving these
		 emails, here's an    > opportunity to voice your objections. All the
	best, Wendy         > >     > >     > >     > >     >
	>     From NHS Support Federation, a founder organisation of       > Keep
	Our NHS         > Public       > > NHS services are now to be provided
	by a wide range of     > organisations all    > competing within a market.
	The new Co-operation and Competition         > Panel        >
	<http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/> for NHS-funded services is to help     >
	deliver      > the supposed benefits of competition. It will investigate   
	> potential breaches   > of     > the Principles and Rules     > 
	<http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf>
	      > as defined by the Department of Health. It will also advise the      
	> Department of        > Health and the foundation trust regulator
	Monitor. The      > Co-operation and     > Competition Panel is a misnomer
	as its
		 remit is weighted so         > heavily in favour    > of    >
	promoting competition, whilst neglecting the considerable benefits          >
	of    > cooperation.         > >      > > We need your help to
	respond forcefully to the Panel's   > current      > consultation and
	to lobby MPs. Please write a letter objecting to   > the   > imposition   
	 > of competition and commercial values on the NHS and raising the    >
	crucial        > questions listed below. Send your letter to the Co-operation
	and   > Competition    > Panel at the address below and a copy to your MP.
	  > >     > > Send to: Interim Guidelines Consultation,         >
	Cooperation and Competition         > Panel, 1 Horse Guards Road, London,
	SW1A 2HQ or email        > 
	[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>.
	 Respond by 30 April.      > >     > > Points to make:    > > 
	   > > 1. Will the panel ensure that the
		 alternative of a     > publicly led service         > is included in
	consultations about future tenders? 2. Is   > the duplication of   >
	services to produce choice a good use of resources which   > constitutes
	economic         > efficiency, especially given that the benefits of
	competition in    > healthcare   > are   > unproven (indeed Minster of
	State Ben Bradshaw said that the "mix     > of    > competition and
	co-operation in the NHS is a unique model in the     > world")?     >
	3. Will the tendering process be fair and         > transparent, with no
	discrimination         > against NHS organisations in favour of either
	commercial or         > voluntary bodies         > or    > social
	enterprises? 4. Will the public be consulted on an         > ongoing basis
	about          > local tenders e.g. via local involvement networks (LINks)?
	5.   > Will the panel       > foster co-operation not only between
	commissioners and providers,          > but between 
		       > providers, a hope expressed by Richard Taylor MP in a debate in   
	> Parliament on         > 24    > February?    > >     > > 
	   > > It is vital to protect and promote a publicly led NHS       >
	which has an ethos   > which is truly patient-centred. We must insist to the
	Panel that    > our   > objections   > to the notion of a health
	service based on a competitive market     > are widely   > shared. With
	your help we must ensure that our views are not         > ignored.     >
	>     > > You can see the consultation paper         >
	<http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf> , the    >
	four         > guidance documents which are the subject of the consultation,
	and   > the response         > template at   >
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	> >     > >     > > Please send us copies of your letters or
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