Makes me think of Che and the 'new man' (not the bloke that made the
quiche and pardon thesexist label - Che was of his time). A real
issue for radical psychologistss - how can we attain a differnt basis
for identity that is based on mutualism, respect, responsibility,
solidarity, sense of place etc and not on the stuff we've got.
Mark
Marley Charles (NHS Forth Valley) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been following the discussion regarding climate change with
> interest. I've also been forwarding on the emails to a friend who is
> not a member of the list (he's very interested in climate change -
> currently studying for a MSc in the area). Anyway, he replied to me
> and I thought I'd forwarded his email to the forum (he's aware of this
> and agreed for it to be forwarded on)....
>
>
>
> Hey Charlie,
>
> I find it very interesting indeed, personally speaking. Anthropogenic
> climate change is virtually beyond doubt - my MSc so far has given me
> a basic understanding of the complex scientific evidence linking man's
> greenhouse gases to a warming climate. So when Craig says below that
> climate change is an 'idea' and the climate is beyond the influence of
> humans, I'm afraid he's widely off the mark. Humans have now proved
> (quite by mistake) the extent to which we can influence something as
> inert as the global climate system! The global physical evidence of
> this is overwhelming. We've previously proved it with other aspects of
> the atmosphere (ozone, for example).
>
> Climate change is a symptom of a malfunction of society; ironically,
> it appears that the main perpetrators are the most 'sane' members of
> the richest, most developed countries (i.e. the middle classes). I
> believe climate change is directly linked to the modes of living that
> free markets (laissez faire, capitalist economies - especially ones
> with the 'trickle-down' form of economics as championed by Thatcher)
> demand that we adopt. Our desire to buy and own more and more stuff
> from all over the world, to have limitless choice of products and
> services etc... The energy we've burned in aspiring to live this way
> has basically buggered us in a number of ways, climate change being a
> major one.
>
> Here's the thing: In my view our 'happiness' and our identities are
> tied up in the stuff we do and own - whether we like it or not, as
> this is what the market requires. The stuff we do and own contributes
> hugely to climate change as most of it requires energy from burning
> fossil fuels. To alter this pattern involves fairly radical changes in
> the way we live - i'm not just talking about recycling etc, i mean
> questioning our consumption in the first place, why we feel the need
> to live in such a way. I believe that because a large part of our
> psychology is tied up in these goods and services, if we were to
> kerb/radically alter them, some fear exists as to what would be the
> outcome. We're kind of addicted to this way of living, but this way of
> living is bad for the planet.
>
> The best solution to the problem of climate change requires us to use
> less - basically, we don't want to use less.
>
> There are so many related issues here too - lots to do with inequality
> within and between countries.
>
> I'm sure the list of psychological issues associated with modern
> industrial living is quite long!
>
> >From a work perspective, this is useful for me/us to be aware of and
> would be great to get more involved in - but if we were to become more
> involved in any substantial way going forward, we would have to charge
> for the time!! (They don't come much more capitalist than Capita!)
>
> I personally think someone should commission a study looking at the
> links between basic psycology of middle class westerners/developed
> country inhabitants (or the markets) and anthropogenic climate change.
>
> Anyway, i'd better get on with some work myself!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Burton
> [[log in to unmask]]
> *Sent:* 20 April 2009 16:11
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> change - room for equality and diversity
>
> But we have multiple roles - ciizens, workers, professionals, etc
> etc. Our specific professional expertise is to understnad the
> connections between thought, emotion, behaviour, ideology, the
> material world. OK so we do that in different flavours (clinical,
> comunity, educational, academic and hybrids of all) but surely the key
> is that we have a general exopertise that goes with our general social
> responsibility and our general stake-holderness (the capacity to be
> winners and losers).
> I used to work with someone who claimed to be the last 'general
> psychologist'. Now I think I know what he meant.
> If we stay within a narrow professional identity then CC and other big
> social problems do remain outside our remit.
> We can uses the adage 'think global - act local' to help us approach
> this - but I'd be the one arguing for a biggish definition of the local.
>
>
>
>
> > Miriam's comments are as ever well-informed and incisive, but we don't
> > need to be psychologists to agree with them. Climate change is vitally
> > important and we might usefully produce a statement of the kind Miriam
> > proposes: it wouldn't (shouldn't!) take much effort. But overall I
> agree
> > with Craig: we're perhaps better off focusing our energies on something
> > that's both achievable and within our specific realm of professional
> > expertise.
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> > miriam hollis wrote:
> >> I think that, as Community Psychologists who are looking to have a
> >> collective voice in the community/world which will have a constructive
> >> impact upon the issues which are negatively impacting upon the most
> >> vulnerable, we have to have a very clear statement and intention
> when we
> >> speak.
> >>
> >> Although my own view is that we are living in a western culture
> which is
> >> now so avaricious and self interested that this seems to me to be
> >> reflected in discussions about climate change. My kids ( now almost
> all
> >> adults) long complained about the cycle rides to school in all
> weathers,
> >> the walks to the nearest recycling banks, the trawling through charity
> >> shops and jumble sales, and the long days on the allotments during
> their
> >> end of primary school years. More so as we live in a neighbourhood
> which
> >> is wanting to recreate community, yet is atypical in that they
> alternate
> >> whether they get into his/her or the sons car to go to the newsagent,
> >> and pop their newspapers into the back of the car for the recycling
> >> trip. And it was always a mystery why the school Santa always forgot
> >> that we were vegans.
> >> Yet such is the nature of the society that we live in, that recycling
> >> also became a source of shame: jumble sales and charity shops were a
> >> source of humiliation ( until reclaimed in late teens), recycling was
> >> "hippy", and even the teachers teased about the cycling to school.
> These
> >> attitudes are ones which affect our client groups - the teasing of
> kids
> >> in school as the haves and have nots make assumptions about status.
> For
> >> them it may not be an option, and they don't necessary want to
> identify
> >> themselves with this kind of lifestyle, because the very thing that
> they
> >> want to do is reshape their sense of identity as poor or
> disadvantaged.
> >>
> >> On the other hand there are now the ructions between the
> >> environmentalists and the open cast coal miners who are desparate to
> >> reopen mines and have work.
> >>
> >> At this level the issues are so closely intertwined with social
> >> economics, issues of self worth, prospects of social aspiration,
> >> advantage/disadvatage, that from a distance it still looks like a
> >> separatist debate.
> >>
> >> Climate change is one of the issues which reflect the power issues
> >> prevalent in not only our society, but the world. Whilst we focus only
> >> on issues of energy and sources of energy - we miss that it matters
> not
> >> that as individuals we are buying locally, using energy efficiency,
> >> ditching the car ( or buying that great looking new electric model),
> >> consuming less and so forth. The major capitalist attitudes which have
> >> their own self interests to serve are consuming more and more energy
> >> without any Government sanctions of any note. New buildings are
> going up
> >> without any Government legislation to insist that each new home is
> built
> >> on energy efficient lines, with triple glazing, water conservation,
> >> photvoltaic cells, solar panels, wind turbines. The only housing
> project
> >> in my City which is totally self sufficinet in terms of energy (
> and can
> >> sell back to the local grid) were fought tooth and nail by their local
> >> authority to prevent them from using a wind turbine.
> >> When 90% of the wealth is in the hands of 10% of the people, the power
> >> is in the hands of those 10% and so the initiatives to make the
> >> population less dependent upon them for sources of anything whatsoever
> >> will be resisted strongly. All energy supplies are provided by
> >> organisations owned by the wealthiest in society. They have no
> intention
> >> of allowing me or you to be energy efficient. Although we can try. We
> >> can continue to do all that we can as individuals. However, we have to
> >> understand that we have to be speaking out about the sources of power
> >> within the society that ultimately prevents a shift in the way that
> the
> >> world survives and all the people that live here have a better quality
> >> of existance.
> >>
> >> If all of us were energy self sufficient - can you imagine towns and
> >> cities not needing to pay for energy services? Some of us would love
> >> that, feel great about it, the poorest would certainly be better off (
> >> but they would probably get their benefits cut or the minimum wage cut
> >> accordingly as these rates are set based on the minimum necessary to
> >> sustain life).
> >>
> >> What we need to be looking at is: are we brave enough to come out and
> >> say that the inequalities of wealth are contributing to climate
> change,
> >> poverty, disadvantage, erroded confidence, poor mental health, global
> >> inequality?
> >>
> >> If we are not, then the discussion might as well carry on at the pub.
> >>
> >> Miriam H
> >>
> >> > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:02:35 +0100
> >> >
> From: [log in to unmask]
> >> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change - room for equality and diversity
> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >
> >> > Actually I don't want to get distracted either. I'm actually quite
> >> interested in people's thoughts on the quesitons I was trying to
> >> formulate last night. Being sceptical about local consumption (which
> >> even though something was grown down the road may have no extra
> value in
> >> terms of emmissions), Transitions towns etc not the same as being
> >> scepticl about climate change more generally.
> >> >
> >> > I am interested in hearing more from Craig too however as one of my
> >> discomforts with this whol area is that is seems to become about a
> kind
> >> of tribal penance.
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >
> >> >
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Mark
> >> Burton
> >> > Sent: Sat 18/04/2009 10:03 AM
> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change - room for equality and diversity
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Before we get into a sterile debate about whether or not CC is
> >> areality
> >> > - here is a compilaion that debunks the supposed arguments that it
> >> isn't
> >> > really happening - or if it is it wasn't me (or SHell, Texaco, Coal)
> >> guv.
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/
>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > John McGowan wrote:
> >> > > Hi Craig, you've mentioned this a couple of times now and it would
> >> be interesting to hear more about it. Both the notion that human
> >> activity has limited influence over climate (I presume you might have
> >> someone like Bjorn Lomborg
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg in mind?) and the kind
> >> of vested interests crerading and plugging this concept might serve.
> >> > >
> >> > > John
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,
> >> Year/Academic Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological
> >> Development, Canterbury Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill
> Road
> >> Southborough Tunbridge Wells Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778
> >> [log in to unmask] www.salomonscaspd.org.uk
> >> www.canterbury.ac.uk
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > >
> >> > >
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
> >> CRAIG NEWNES
> >> > > Sent: Fri 17/04/2009 11:30 PM
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change - room for equality and diversity
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Does ANYONE on the list understand that the "idea" of climate
> >> change serves vested interests?
> >> > > Craig
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Fri, 17/4/09, John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change - room for equality and diversity
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 9:19 PM
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > A little late to this. The prospect of a conference on these
> issues
> >> sounds very
> >> > > interesting. I'm genuinely curious as to the contribution
> >> psychological
> >> > > thinking can make in these areas. Had a look at the Manchester
> >> website. It looks
> >> > > as if it is quite conprehensive in some ways. It does however seem
> >> to place
> >> > > grerat faith in local production of commodities as a way of
> >> reducing carbon
> >> > > emmissions. This often seems quite questionable. My view of
> this is
> >> a little
> >> > > skewed I think by my local transition town group (Lewes in East
> >> Sussex) who
> >> > > basically seem to be a club of middle class people who really
> >> struggle to say
> >> > > anything relevant to the wider community and place all thier faith
> >> in the notion
> >> > > of local purchasing and a large (and incredibly widely publicised)
> >> LETs scheme
> >> > > which seems to have little demostrable value beyond novelty.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I also wonder about if a climate change adgenda with a social
> >> justice one as
> >> > > the two may not always be the most natural bedfellows. Obviously
> >> the reality is
> >> > > that poor people tend to get disproportionately screwed by climate
> >> change but
> >> > > the debate often tends to scapegoat them too (flying too much, or
> >> shopping in
> >> > > ASDA os whatever etc). It leaves me curious as to how, short of
> >> taking a
> >> > > completely dystopian view that the collapse of many familier
> >> entities is
> >> > > imminent, is is possible to involve wider communities in
> >> initiatives relevant to
> >> > > them. Especially in tough economic times wiere the low road to
> ASDA
> >> may look
> >> > > more attractive.
> >> > >
> >> > > There is a case to be made that a number of capitalist tools such
> >> as managed
> >> > > markets might have some controbution to make if the caps can be
> >> brought low
> >> > > enough. This kind of tool does seem to have had a powerful effect
> >> on acid rain.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyway, friday night and perhaps am not making much sense.
> >> > >
> >> > > John
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________________________ Dr John McGowan,
> >> Year/Academic
> >> > > Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological Development,
> >> Canterbury
> >> > > Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough
> >> Tunbridge Wells
> >> > > Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778 [log in to unmask]
> >> > > www.salomonscaspd.org.uk www.canterbury.ac.uk
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > >
> >> > >
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
> >> Annie Mitchell
> >> > > Sent: Wed 15/04/2009 3:28 PM
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change -
> >> > > room for equality and diversity
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes. Following though on this link, you can find
> >> > >
> >> > > in an interview reported on BBC home page, Ian Stewart from
> >> University of
> >> > > Plymouth School of Earth, Ocean and Environmental Science who
> >> presented BBC
> >> > > Earth: Climate Wars, saying stuff that surely should give us pause
> >> as
> >> > > (community) psychologists and get us thinking about our
> >> role/contribution ( or
> >> > > lack of so far) (I've cut and pasted):
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > If society is to make any progress on effectively dealing with
> >> climate change
> >> > > at a regional or global level, what is imperative is that ordinary
> >> people help
> >> > > build a political climate at grass-roots level that accepts the
> >> problem exists
> >> > > and demands some serious actions by business and government. For
> >> me, that begins
> >> > > with people accepting that there is no hiding place left in the
> >> science - the
> >> > > overwhelming consensus of the vast body of scientists that study
> >> climate is that
> >> > > the trends we are seeing in the air, the oceans and in our
> >> ecosystems are
> >> > > entirely consistent with the theory of global warming, while the
> >> alternatives
> >> > > offered by sceptical scientists - even the much heralded role of
> >> the Sun - so
> >> > > far fail that test.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Blaming scientific uncertainty is now not an option to delay
> >> action. Sure,
> >> > > actions by individuals can make a difference, but real progress
> >> will only come
> >> > > when individuals come together with a strong, common voice to
> >> demand that
> >> > > rhetoric turns into regulation. And that's where I see my role
> - in
> >> > > convincing ordinary folk that this is an issue that they should
> >> care about, not
> >> > > because it will affect them but, more insidiously, it will be
> their
> >> legacy to
> >> > > their kids and grandkids.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >>
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> >> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of richard
> >> pemberton
> >> > > Sent: 15 April 2009 14:33
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change -
> >> > > room for equality and diversity
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Don't offset - sandbag
> >> > >
> >>
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> >> > > - sandbag.org.uk <http://sandbag.org.uk/> - Make a real difference
> >> in
> >> > > the battle against climate change.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Richard
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 4/15/09, CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > The "idea" of climate change is indeed promoted by individual
> >> action
> >> > > with vested interest (selling tropical plants in Halifax, anyone).
> >> But
> >> > > "climate change" happens in cycles far removed from human
> >> endeavour.
> >> > > The climate is way beyond human control or influence - unlike
> >> newspaper articles
> >> > > which are wriiten by over-excited "experts" getting their slice of
> >> > > cake.
> >> > >
> >> > > Craig
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> From: David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change -
> >> > > room for equality and diversity
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 11:53 PM
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Craig,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Obvious but ... to assert that destructive climate change has been
> >> brought
> >> > > about by the behaviours (or actions as I prefer prefer) of
> >> individual people
> >> > > and that it can be reversed or prevented from getting even
> worse by
> >> > > psychologists changing the behaviour or action of individual
> people
> >> one at a
> >> > > time, as 'institutional' psychologists do, even if they were
> >> effective
> >> > > in doing so which, as you say, is not the case, is not only silly
> >> but hugely
> >> > > problematic at practical, theoretical and ideological levels. That
> >> needs
> >> > > pointing out ... but we claim as 'community' psychologists to know
> >> > > something about less problematic ways of deploying psychology. So
> >> why not do
> >> > > both through a uk ccp climate change initiative? No point in
> >> pointing at the
> >> > > mainstream acritical institutional psychologists saying 'told you
> >> so' as
> >> > > the water covers all our heads?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > By the way I am not sure psychologists need to know a lot about
> >> behaviour
> >> > > change to be complicit in it happening ... the roles of psychology
> >> in
> >> > > governmentality and control of behaviour / action) have been
> pretty
> >> persuasively
> >> > > spelled out by Foucault and Rose in my view.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > David
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> From: CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 23:01:19
> >> > > Subject: Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room for
> >> equality and
> >> > > diversity
> >> > >
> >> > > David, Psychologists know FUCK ALL about behaviour change. As you
> >> know, it just
> >> > > happens, and we don't know why (even if you were to believe in the
> >> rather
> >> > > silly concept of "why"). To claim they know might give them 5
> >> minutes
> >> > > of fame but, hey, look what just happened to "financial experts"
> >> > >
> >> > > Cx
> >> > >
> >> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> From: Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
> >> change -
> >> > > room for equality and diversity
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:56 PM
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Craig, I agree that any achieved progressive change would be
> >> wonderful
> >> > > and worth more than any number of futile gestures. I agree that
> any
> >> small
> >> > > achievable change re psy complex tyranny would be really
> worthwhile
> >> but think
> >> > > any small achievable change re climate change would be worthwhile
> >> too (both may
> >> > > be possible simultaneously given some psy-complexperimenters'
> >> insistence
> >> > > that climate change can be addressed through behaviour change)
> - we
> >> would not
> >> > > need to address the whole problem of climate change (or psycomplex
> >> tyranny) in
> >> > > order to achieve something worthwhile? However there seems to be
> >> enthusiasm
> >> > > on the list to see what we can offer distinctively as community
> >> critical
> >> > > psychologists in relation to climate change so why not go for that
> >> as a
> >> > > starting place? David ________________________________
> From: The UK
> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG NEWNES
> >> Sent: Tue
> >> > > 14/04/2009 22:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re:
> >> UKCP
> >> > > Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and
> >> diversity
> >> > > Some time ago I suggested that the list considers putting effort
> >> (not talk)
> >> > > into ONE small achievable change. Climate Change seems a little -
> >> er - big and
> >> > > way outside of human, let alone Community Psychology control. It's
> >> not as if
> >> > > there aren't countless groups protesting, marching, publicly
> >> debating the
> >> > > economics of American and post-industrial exploitation etc, etc.
> >> Agreeing on ONE
> >> > > focus does not take away from the need to address process, mutual
> >> respect and
> >> > > so on but it might make a small difference -
> >> > > to us and the wider community. We could, for example, as a group
> >> voacalise
> >> > > the need for a ban on psychiatric and psychological diagnoses. We
> >> could fight
> >> > > for ONE example of the PSYcomplex's tyranny to be overturned -
> >> e.g., there
> >> > > is a case in Holland of parents trying to have their son killed
> >> (euthanased) on
> >> > > the basis he is diagnosed with ADHD - this has been in the courts
> >> for three
> >> > > years and has yet to appear in the UK press. In a way, it doesn't
> >> matter
> >> > > which target we aim at, as long as it is achievable. After all
> >> cling film was
> >> > > originally designed exclusively for the Apollo missions - and now
> >> it's
> >> > > taken over the world. Craig --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: David Fryer
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP
> >> Conference
> >> > > addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity To:
> >> > > [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009,
> 1:36
> >> AM
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear Jacqui I will reply separately to the two issues so
> >> > > they have different subject lines for ongoing discussion In case
> >> > > it was not clear I agree that equality and diversity are
> absolutely
> >> key issues
> >> > > in relation to climate change and would hope and expect that they
> >> would be
> >> > > addressed either directly or indirectly in all conference debates.
> >> But I am
> >> > > suggesting we try to focus debate at our conferences rather
> more in
> >> the future
> >> > > than in the past. I suggest a community critical conference
> >> focusing on climate
> >> > > change which addressed issues of equality, diversity,
> >> participation, power,
> >> > > ideology, praxis, poverty in relation to climate change would be
> >> exciting and
> >> > > potentially more productive re leading to action than our meetings
> >> have tended
> >> > > to be recently. I think a title directing people to the focal
> issue
> >> of climate
> >> > > change from a community critical perspective and some fairly tight
> >> reviewing of
> >> > > submissions could help produce a more
> >> > > focused and more effective conference whilst still making room for
> >> all.
> >> > > Of course we will all have ideas and it will be the conference
> >> organisers
> >> > > ... Annie, Lisa and their colleagues who should decide on what
> form
> >> the
> >> > > conference takes if they decide they are going to proceed but I
> >> took Annie to
> >> > > request list people to contribute their ideas etc so am glad you
> >> and I are
> >> > > doing so Since my earlier message I heard of a conference which
> >> > > may also be of interest not so much because many of us will be
> able
> >> to present
> >> > > actually or virtually but because it illustrates a different and
> >> interesting
> >> > > way of tackling the issues SIXTH INTERNATIONAL
> >> > > CONFERENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL, CULTURAL, ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
> >> SUSTAINABILITY
> >> > > University of Cuenca, Ecuador 5-7 January 2010
> >> > > http://www.SustainabilityConference.com
> >> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/>
> >> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/>
> >> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> best wishes,
> >> > > David
> >> > > ________________________________
> From: jacqui lovell
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 5:01:29 Subject: Re: UKCP Conference
> >> > > addressing climate change from a community critical standpoint?
> >> > > "tetchy" David, I prefer to think that from the frustration comes
> >> the
> >> > > growth! I agree with David that a focus may be good but can we
> >> > > leave room for equality and diversity in this as well please
> Annie,
> >> I like your
> >> > > original title, "equality, sustainability and community
> well-being"
> >> > > as this has room for all. Jac
> >> > > ________________________________ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:45:58
> >> > > +0000
> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
> >> > > UKCP Conference addressing climate change from a community
> critical
> >> standpoint?
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask] Dear Annie,
> >> > > I think your tentative suggestion of the UKCP Conference
> >> > > addressing climate change from a community critical standpoint is
> >> really
> >> > > valuable. We seem to have got into a pattern of organising our
> >> conferences to
> >> > > be as wide in topic as possible so that anyone interested in CP
> >> could present
> >> > > whatever they are doing. That is well intentioned but leads to
> very
> >> general
> >> > > conference conference reflected in all inclusive titles (even
> >> 'Equality,
> >> > > Sustainability and Community Well-Being' verges on that). That has
> >> been OK
> >> > > up to a point but we have had some rather unfocused and sometimes
> >> defensive or
> >> > > even tetchy meetings. I think it is worth trying a different tack.
> >> I think
> >> > > going for a specific focused problem such as climate change,
> >> ensuring it is
> >> > > addressed searchingly from a community critical psychology
> >> perspective, and
> >> > > designing it from the start to be ecologically sound in process
> >> (e.g. reducing
> >> > > its carbon footprint) and action oriented in outcome, would be
> >> good. In line
> >> > > with our approach, this can be
> >> > > inclusive in the sense that people need not be experts in climate
> >> change to
> >> > > contribute but can apply whatever experience, interests and skills
> >> they have to
> >> > > climate change issues. For example there has been a lot of
> interest
> >> in the NHS
> >> > > and 'the market' on this list lately and some might like to think
> >> about
> >> > > how the NHS and/or market are related to climate change. Others
> >> might be
> >> > > interested in interrelations between poverty and climate change
> ...
> >> you might
> >> > > remember that Cathy McCormack talked to us at one conference about
> >> radical
> >> > > tenants' activism in relation to damp housing, health and mental
> >> health
> >> > > which also addressed climate changes (the poorest in Glasgow were
> >> spending
> >> > > massive proportions of their inadequate benefit to heat the sky
> yet
> >> shivering
> >> > > and suffering damp related illness and misery. Others with
> >> participatory working
> >> > > skills might like to think how to deploy them re climate change.
> >> Others can
> >> > > develop effective praxis in related to
> >> > > climate change. Others can critique the discipline of
> psychology in
> >> relation
> >> > > to climate change etc. I think there is a lot of important
> >> international
> >> > > lessons to learn. For example Trisha Conway taught me recently
> that
> >> middle
> >> > > class climate change activists have much to learn from the US
> >> environmental
> >> > > justice movement within which poor Americans, often black, have
> >> collectively
> >> > > fearlessly challenged the (re) location of their communities in
> >> ecologically
> >> > > toxic sites. I strongly support you in thinking about hosting
> >> > > the next CP conference in Devon in Spring 2010 but when you are
> >> thinking about
> >> > > dates please remember the III International Conference on
> Community
> >> Psychology
> >> > > will be held in Puebla, México, from 3rd to 5th June 2010 please
> >> try to avoid
> >> > > a clash of dates as some - including me - might want to attend
> >> both. Just
> >> > > before or just after would be great (for me) David
> >> > > ________________________________
> From: Annie
> >> > > Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
> >> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009
> >> 18:45:25
> >> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
> >> > > market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Dear David and all,
> >> > > Seems unlikely to be a co-incidence, as you say - frustrating
> >> process and v
> >> > > unsettling as you say re mainstream academic and applied
> psychology
> >> uncritical
> >> > > position re climate change - and it sounds from what you say that
> >> the latest
> >> > > planned BPS event will, true to current BPS form, be pretty
> >> uncritical...be
> >> > > great if we as community psychologists could assemble a more
> >> critical take
> >> > > (beyond " large scale behaviour change projects" ), that puts
> >> together
> >> > > the social inequalities agenda, along with the climate change/peak
> >> oil issue
> >> > > and economic collapse ( linking perhaps with some of the more
> >> critical medics
> >> > > who are writing on this topic using public health arguments as
> >> their way in) . I
> >> > > thought
> >> > > that mark's essay on the site he posted us to came the closest yet
> >> of
> >> > > anything I;ve read to do that - ( do read it everyone who is
> >> interested in this
> >> > > debate!); also there is a good chapter on this in Richard
> >> Wilkinson's/
> >> > > kate Picket's Spirit Level isnt there . A community psych
> >> > > conference might be a good way to take a more critical stance...
> >> lisa thorne
> >> > > and i are hoping to be able to announce via this list by end of
> >> April that we
> >> > > would be willing and able to host next conference in Devon spring
> >> 2010, but we
> >> > > are still not certain ... meantime, at this pre-planning stage -
> >> any comments
> >> > > re whether this would make a good conference theme very welcome.:
> >> we are
> >> > > thinking so far something along the lines of "equality,
> >> sustainability
> >> > > and community well-being". Good wishes, Annie
> >> > > ________________________________________
> From: The UK
> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List
> >> [[log in to unmask]] On
> >> > > Behalf Of
> >> > > David Fryer [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 10 April 2009 11:31
> >> > > To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re:
> [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
> >> thanks
> >> > > Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS - BY
> >> 30 APRIL
> >> > > Dear Annie and everyone on this list, Annie wrote
> >> > > "I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a "high
> >> > > level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't happen
> for
> >> > > some reason ( unexplained)." Here is an explanation. There
> >> > > are two parts to the explanation. After consulting people who
> >> > > had been elected Fellows of the BPS (collectively sometimes known
> >> as 'The
> >> > > College of Fellows') the Committee of the College of Fellows of
> the
> >> BPS, of
> >> > > which I was a member and then Chairperson, decided to address a
> >> series of
> >> > > issues identified by Fellows as important. The first of these
> was a
> >> day
> >> > > conference on community psychology. This was held in London. Half
> >> of the day
> >> > > involved presentations by Ed Cairns
> >> > > (Northern Ireland), Serdar Degirmencioglu (Turkey), Reachout
> Mental
> >> Health
> >> > > Expressive Arts group (Scotland), Cathy McCormack (Scotland) and
> >> me. The second
> >> > > half was discussion. As you can tell it was critical in
> standpoint.
> >> It was a
> >> > > sell out. The second issue to be addressed was 'psychology and
> >> climate
> >> > > change'. Lots of effort went into planning this, a date was set
> and
> >> Ian
> >> > > Parker invited as Key Speaker and accepted. Ian was preparing his
> >> talk which
> >> > > promised to argue something along the lines that neo-liberal
> >> manifestations of
> >> > > capitalism required the rape of the planet and the exploitation of
> >> its peoples
> >> > > and psychology was complicit with the maintenance of the current
> >> neo-liberal
> >> > > status quo. Officers of the BPS then got in touch with the CoF and
> >> told us that
> >> > > the Society had decided to put a lot of resources and effort
> into a
> >> big climate
> >> > > change event, that the CoF climate change event could detract /
> >> distract
> >> > > attention from this /duplicate /
> >> > > etc and asked if the CoF would go in with the bigger event instead
> >> of doing
> >> > > its own thing. After much agonising the CoF decided to do that but
> >> only on
> >> > > condition that the invitation issued to Ian Parker was honoured
> and
> >> he spoke at
> >> > > the bigger do. That was agreed at the time. See below. Note here
> >> though that
> >> > > shortly after this, the Society decided to reconsider if there was
> >> a role for
> >> > > the CoF and eventually decided there was not and to wind it up and
> >> that has now
> >> > > happened. As Chair of the CoF I had been asked to sit on a
> >> > > Society Committee to develop the bigger Climate Change event. It
> >> was made clear
> >> > > at the first meeting that the new committee did not consider
> itself
> >> bound by
> >> > > the decision to invite Ian Parker to address the new conference
> and
> >> decided not
> >> > > to do so. There were quite a few meetings and a lot of work was
> >> done. I was not
> >> > > that happy with the discussions myself as it seemed to me to be
> >> largely
> >> > > acritical and individualistic.
> >> > > Nevertheless I persisted in arguing for community psychology and
> >> critical
> >> > > inputs at the conference. Then out of the blue the BPS decided
> that
> >> it was in
> >> > > financial difficulties, that it needed to trim its activities and
> >> suddenly the
> >> > > climate change conference - even in its incipient conservative
> >> version - was
> >> > > put on the back burner. Even so the committee persisted and the
> >> latest plans
> >> > > are for a half day meeting maybe in October which will publicise
> >> > > multi-disciplinary and multi-centred large scale behaviour change
> >> projects
> >> > > drawing on psychological research at the principle research
> centres
> >> and then
> >> > > give short presentations on contributions of health, counselling,
> >> clinical,
> >> > > organisational & community psychology I think there is
> >> > > something very coincidental about two climate change conferences
> >> being
> >> > > cancelled. I also think there i something very unsettling about
> the
> >> uncritical
> >> > > position of mainstream psychology re climate change.
> >> > > Psychology and climate change is at risk of becoming a middle
> class
> >> hobby
> >> > > horses concerned with getting people to recycle their claret
> >> bottles. The
> >> > > complicity of institutional psychology (including clinical
> >> psychology) with the
> >> > > preservation of the neo-liberal status quo which is hell bent on
> >> exploitative
> >> > > expansionism damaging people and ecosystems is not receiving the
> >> critique it
> >> > > requires. David ________________________________
> >> > >
> From: Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
> >> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009
> >> 8:15:05
> >> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
> >> market-based
> >> > > NHS - BY 30 APRIL thanks Mark excellent links. So great to read
> >> > > what you are doing in Manchester. Here in Devon some of us are
> >> involved in the
> >> > > Transition Town movement. Working with others re climate change
> >> > > surely should be now our top priority . It links with everything
> >> community
> >> > > psychology is about: challenging power and vested interests re
> >> consumerism
> >> > > and capitalism, bottom up political action, reducing social
> >> inequalities
> >> > > internationally as well as nationally, linking local l with global
> >> concerns;
> >> > > community well-being and resilience with sustainability etc etc;
> >> not to mention
> >> > > leaving a world behind so our grandchildren can live. It is very
> >> > > disappointing how behind the times both academic and applied
> >> psychology is on
> >> > > this topic; I know there was a recent special issue in the
> >> Psychologist
> >> > > recently with a few good articles ( none very radical though) but
> >> for example
> >> > > almost every issue now of BMJ has climate change/ public health in
> >> there
> >> > > somewhere. I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a
> >> > > "high level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't
> >> > > happen for some reason ( unexplained) . Now - if I were less of
> >> > > a luddite I guess this is the moment when I should turn to the new
> >> technology
> >> > > Grant has initiated for us, as there are at least 2 different
> >> topics
> >> > > budding off here: save our NHS ( can Sustainable Communities Act
> >> help etc etc);
> >> > > climate change action ( what could/shuld community psycholgists do
> >> etc etc).
> >> > > Annie ________________________________________
> >> > >
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> >> > >
> >>
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> >> > > On Behalf Of Mark Burton
> >> > > [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: 09
> >> April
> >> > > 2009 23:26 To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
> FW:
> >> Say no to
> >> > > a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Thanks Annie Good to see you are
> >> > > ative onclimate change - despite my recent attempts ther has been
> >> almost zero
> >> > > interest from the list on this and related topics. Anyway I'm
> quite
> >> busy
> >> > > on a couple of inititiatives
> >> > > http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/ includes my latest
> >> analysis
> >> > > of th 'crisis' http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/
> >> > > Mark > further to my email below , here attached
> >> > > for those who want to know more, > or who want to alert others,
> the
> >> > > Local Works guide to the Sustainable > Communitities Act. >
> >> > > > Annie > > >
> >> > > ________________________________________ >
> From: The UK Community
> >> > > Psychology Discussion List >
> >> > >
> >>
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> >> > > On Behalf Of Annie Mitchell >
> >> > >
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> >> > > > Sent: 09 April 2009 22:31 > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> >> - BY 30
> >> > > > APRIL > > I wonder whether actions under the
> >> > > umbrella of the new
> >> > > Sustainable > Communitites Act may be medium/ long term helpful re
> >> NHS (
> >> > > and potentially > in other socially progressive ways too). >
> >> > > > This Act is being described ( by some) as the biggest
> >> constitutional
> >> > > > change in UK for decades. > > I have been exploring it
> >> > > because our local climate change organisations > in Devon are very
> >> > > hopeful that it may assist with democratic grass roots > bottom up
> >> change
> >> > > towards dealing with/ mitigating the effects of climate > change
> >> and
> >> > > peak oil. I haven't fully got my head around it but I;ll do my
> >> > > > best to explain as I understand it - and would be keen to have
> >> comments
> >> > > > from others - eg Mark -( I know you are active re climate
> change/
> >> > > > chaos) ? - who know more than me: > > The general idea is
> >> > > that the Act enables local authorities ( they can to > chose
> >> whether
> >> > > to opt in) to receive, consider and put forward for national >
> >> > > consideration, locally prioritised suggestions from local
> >> individuals or
> >> > > > organisations about changes in central government legislation
> >> that would,
> >> > > > if enacted, help build more sustainable communitities ie enhance
> >> , >
> >> > > social, economic and environmental functioning . These local
> >> suggestions >
> >> > > will then go to a panel at central level, who will decide on
> >> national
> >> > > > priorities. Central government has a duty to reach agreement on
> >> how to
> >> > > > take ( some of) these forward; with a published action plan on
> >> which
> >> > > > central government may be held to account by the electorate. The
> >> new bit
> >> > > > here is the duty to reach agreement, so this is ( in theory
> >> anyway) not
> >> > > > just another empty consultative process. It's ( intended to be)
> >> about
> >> > > > medium and long term change from the bottom up. > >
> >> > > The trick will be to suggest, in solidarity with others,
> >> suggestions that
> >> > > > can make a positive difference through
> >> > > legislative changes. there are > many many pitfalls ( eg will
> local
> >> > > grass roots suggestions simply tend to > promote the interests of
> >> the
> >> > > haves versus the have-nots?) but this is an > important Act, which
> >> we
> >> > > need to get our collective heads around.. This > will be an annual
> >> process;
> >> > > the first wave is happening now. > > Find out more from
> >> > > Local Works, the campaigning organisation who have been > behind
> >> the Act,
> >> > > on http://www.localworks.org/ > > Happy spring time, all ( at
> >> > > least, to all in UK - happy times to others > elsewhere) . >
> >> > > > Annie > > > > >
> >> > > ________________________________________ >
> From: The UK Community
> >> > > Psychology Discussion List >
> >> > >
> >>
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> >> > > On Behalf Of Frederic Stansfield >
> >> > >
> >>
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> >> > > > Sent: 09
> >> > > April 2009 17:07 > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> >> - BY 30
> >> > > > APRIL > > I am not sure how to go forward on this.
> >> > > > > Let's start by thinking how the NHS was originally set up.
> >> > > It wasn't > totally a top down nationalised industry run from
> >> > > Whitehall. In fact, much > of it was under the control of local
> >> > > government. Westminster ran centrally > some parts of the NHS
> where
> >> > > national strategic management was necessary > or, as in the
> case of
> >> > > teaching hospitals, thought to be necessary. County > Councils ran
> >> services
> >> > > that needed to be provided over a fairly wide area > such as the
> >> Ambulance
> >> > > Service. But many local services, such as local > hospitals and
> the
> >> > > management of GPs, where run by District Councils, under > the
> >> powerful
> >> > > guidance of a doctor who held the position
> >> > > of Medical Health > Officer. The situation was rather more
> >> complicated
> >> > > because of varying > council repsonsibilities, e.g. many larger
> >> towns
> >> > > and cities were unitary > County Boroughs. But you will get the
> >> idea.
> >> > > The NHS was not a separate > bureaucracy, but an integral part of
> >> > > British democracyin which > responsibility for each part of the
> >> service
> >> > > was devolved to the lowest > practical level (the European
> >> principle of
> >> > > "Subsiduarity"). And there were > professional advisers to
> >> > > the decision-makers with sufficient power to stop > elected
> members
> >> > > doing silly things through ignorance. > > The trouble was
> >> > > that professionals didn't like to be accountable > (accountability
> >> is
> >> > > always uncomfortable!). The Tories used this to split > of the NHS
> >> into
> >> > > indirectly appointed authorities in the 1974 > re-organisation of
> >> local
> >> > > Government. Ever since, we have seen > accountability destroyed
> bit
> >> by bit,
> >> > > for instance by replacement of local > suthority nomination of
> >> > > Health Authority members by Westminster patronage, > and then the
> >> > > whole charade of private enterprise tendering. The result is > the
> >> > > badly managed, over-centralised, unfit for purpose, poor value for
> >> >
> >> > > money, shambles that we have today. And the professional doctors
> >> etc. who
> >> > > > didn't like oversight by amateurs now find they have got much
> >> much
> >> > > worse. > > Come back to the current discussion. We are being
> >> > > encouraged to > contribute to a consultation process on improving
> >> > > market processes within > the NHS. But the idea of an NHS,
> >> inherently
> >> > > a public service, being > submitted to market forces is inherently
> >> > > flawed. The whole mess is beyond > reform. It needs to be swept
> >> > > away, as after World War 2 (although with > less compromise to
> >> > > professional interests) and replaced by a structure > which, as
> >> between
> >> > > 1948 and 1974 but with
> >> > > improvements, devolves > responsibilty for health services to
> >> > > directly elected representatives at > the lowest possible level,
> >> supported
> >> > > by Medical Officers of Health > combining the role of professional
> >> > > adviser and chief adminstrator. > > In the case of Community
> >> > > Psychology, it is difficult to see why services > should not be
> >> > > provided and administered in electoral units smaller than > the
> >> current
> >> > > English District Authorities. Clinical Psychology may not be >
> >> devolvable
> >> > > to quite such an extent, but all the same it could be locally >
> run
> >> in the
> >> > > vast majority of cases. > > If this seems silly, ask yourself why
> >> > > the United Kingdom's National Health > Service is, I believe, the
> >> > > third largest employer in the world (after > Indian Railways and
> >> the
> >> > > Chinese Army) when the United Kingdom is nothing > like the third
> >> largest
> >> > > country. Surely the answer is that other countries > think it is a
> >> > > bad way to run a health service (most other Western > countries
> >> > > use insurance based services with saftey nets). But will a >
> >> > > Whitehall led consultation take such a glaringly obvious point on
> >> board?
> >> > > > You know the answer, don't you. > > If we want UK
> >> > > health services brought back under democratic control, > wherever
> >> > > possible under local government, the fundamental question is
> what >
> >> > > actions will be effective towards this end. Is responding to a >
> >> > > consultation process that will only act on answers already sharing
> >> the >
> >> > > bueaucrats' mistaken values such an action? > > Frederic
> >> > > Stansfield > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, CRAIG NEWNES
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> >> > > wrote: >
> From: CRAIG NEWNES
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> >> - BY 30
> >> > > > APRIL > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 1:23 AM > > What a lovely
> >> > > idea "choice" is - for marketeers > Craig >
> >> > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, Wendy Franks
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> >> > > >
> From: Wendy Franks
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
> >> BY 30
> >> > > > APRIL > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 12:15 AM > > Hello all,
> >> > > > > I'm not sure how exactly how to fit it into this argument,
> >> > > but I'm going > to throw something in anyway, and hope someone who
> >> > > knows more about it > (...Mark? Carolyn? others?) can help me out
> >> with
> >> > > the details. > > I'm learning a
> >> > > bit about Boundary Critique at the moment, and am hoping to > find
> >> > > it useful in developing some coherence for myself around >
> >> > > participatory research. I wonder if it is helpful in this argument
> >> too.
> >> > > > As far as I can reasonably simplify it (always tricky to
> simplify
> >> > > > something complex that you're in the early stages of
> grasping, so
> >> > > sorry > about this), Boundary Critique enables us to take a
> >> critical
> >> > > position on > where/how/with whom we draw the boundaries around an
> >> object
> >> > > of discussion, > interest, study, etc. In a way, it reminds me a
> >> bit
> >> > > of quantum uncertainty > in physics (of which I also have a very,
> >> very
> >> > > tentative grasp!) - in that > - the way in which you choose to
> >> measure a
> >> > > phenomenon (as a wave or > particle for example) has an impact on
> >> the
> >> > > measurement you get. In this > case, we can make choices about
> >> whether we
> >> > > look at the NHS as though it is > a market, and make certain
> >> > > judgements and claims about it on that basis. > Another of many
> >> > > options is that we can also look at it as if it is a > service
> >> > > (shock, horror!) that is, as John Cromby expressed it, something >
> >> that is
> >> > > there to care for, heal and if we could so imagine, even nurture >
> >> us.
> >> > > > > Each way of addressing the issue at hand is likely to produce
> >> > > different > conclusions. Of the things that I find appealing about
> >> > > Boundary Critique > (as described by Midgley, 2000, in 'Systemic
> >> > > Intervention'), is the > recognition of the role of ethics and
> >> > > values in informing the judgements > we make. > > I think
> >> > > my point might be something like this: > Of course we can look at
> >> > > everything we do as if it is in some way driven > by a market and
> >> all the
> >> > > stuff that gets exchanged in that market as > commodoties.
> >> > > > Or we can choose to conceptualise all of those things in
> >> different terms,
> >> > > > and make
> >> > > different judgements about them informed by other frameworks. >
> >> > > > I think I'll leave it there for now. I'm only half way through
> >> > > Midgley's > book, it's getting late, and I might get a bit
> unstuck!
> >> > > > > Of course, it would be great for me if someone with a
> >> > > better understanding > could suggest how Boundary Critique could
> >> > > help with this argument. Always > good to have an idea of how
> >> theory
> >> > > works in practice. > > Thanks, > > Wendy
> >> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John McGowan
> >> > >
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> >> > > wrote: >
> From: John McGowan
> >> > >
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> >> - BY
> >> > > 30 > APRIL > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April,
> >> > > 2009, 9:58 PM > > > I clearly did an absolutely
> >> > > rubbish job of trying say what I was trying to > say > about
> >> > > markets. The gist of it was that marketisation of the NHS might
> not
> >> > be a
> >> > > > completely unalloyed evil and that "resisting it
> >> > > absolutly" might be > going a bit far. I realise this view might
> >> > > be a tough sell in this crowd > but > it's worth go. >
> >> > > > Penny Priest came closest to what I was meaning I think when she
> >> said
> >> > > > mentioned > market corrections. I've been wondering lately if
> >> > > markets (as opposed to > The > Market) are quite as bad as I
> >> thought
> >> > > they were in say 1985. For starters > we're all part of them.
> Every
> >> > > time we by or choose somethine we're part > of a process of
> >> > > compiling collective judgements on commodities or services > or >
> >> > > innovations. This goes from which which care we drive, coffe we
> >> drink ISP >
> >> > > hosting the community psych
> >> > > website or whatever. Some things flourish and > other >
> >> > > things don't make the cut and often the way that gets decided
> is by
> >> a
> >> > > > bunch > of collective judgements saying one thing is more
> >> > > suitable than another. > You may > not always think we get
> >> > > it right (my wife would rather we used hot air > balloons >
> >> > > instead of planes) but a lot of the time we do. All of these
> >> activities >
> >> > > are > basically are markets choosing one thing over another and
> >> there is
> >> > > quite a > bit > of literature on the conditions needed for them to
> >> > > function well or badly. > > One of the features of the NHS is
> >> > > that it has adopted certain market > principles > but is less
> >> > > engaged with others. If two groups are tendering for a service
> > it
> >> is
> >> > > > possible to choose one group over another on the basis that
> >> > > they're > cheaper > but the two basically selling the
> >> > > same thing: whats recommended by
> >> > > NICE. > We get > the cost control side but not the
> >> > > innovation that would happen in a real > business. > >
> >> > > The reason for using IAPT as an example (other than the special
> >> feeling
> >> > > > help > for it on this list) is that I think it is worth
> >> > > appropriating commercial > language to point out that one way of
> >> looking
> >> > > at it is as a very poor > business > model. In some ways its
> >> > > like if Lord Layard took over my local shop. > Implausibile and
> not
> >> > > entirley reassuring given his record bu who knows > where >
> >> > > this recession might lead. You can imagine how his plan would
> look.
> >> >
> >> > > > "We have good professional evidence that bread is a versatile
> >> > > product and > will be very popular therfore that's what I will
> >> > > sell. My advisors in the > baking industry assure me that the
> >> trials
> >> > > they've conducted will translate > into consumer demand".
> >> > > > > At this point I'd be inclinded to
> >> > > toddle along and ask a few obvious > questions: > Q: Don't you
> >> > > think it might be worth selling other products? What about > milk
> >> or
> >> > > cheese? > A: As and when the evidence becomes available we will
> >> consider
> >> > > stocking > other > things, but my baking advisers point out
> >> > > dairy products have been sold for > years > without RCT
> >> > > evidence of consumer appeal. > > Q:You don't think this bread
> >> > > thing is a passing fancy then? Surely there > is > evidence for
> >> > > other things > A: The bulk of the evidence is mainly there for
> >> bread
> >> > > so that's the way > we're going. > > Q: I at
> >> > > least fancy a few lentils or maybe some baked beans. > A: I am
> >> convinded
> >> > > that "third-wave" breads such as wholemeal and > multigrain can
> >> > > address consumer demand in these areas. > > > I could
> >> > > (and I'm sure you could) go on and on but I think that joke has >
> >> > > gone too far already. In this
> >> > > situation I could do one of two things. One > would > be
> >> > > to go and get evidence for the saleability of beans, chocolate,
> >> Cillit
> >> > > > Bang, > Sepcial Brew or whatever else I fancied. this would
> >> > > probably take a few > years. > The other (which ould take 5
> >> > > minutes) would be to go to the shop down the > road >
> >> > > along with most of the other people in my neighbourhood and watch
> >> Lord L's
> >> > > > shop close after a few days. > > My point is really
> >> > > that in the NHS its difficult to go to the IAPT service > down
> >> > > > the road beacuse there isn't one. If there was (and I'd be happy
> >> > > to take > tenders for 173 million from users of this list) it
> might
> >> just
> >> > > turn out to > be > better. > > Its always
> >> > > been difficult to get this sort of market aggregation of >
> >> judgements
> >> > > > in the NHS. Darzi's proposals might actually lead to some kind
> >> effect
> >> > > of > collective judgement around some
> >> > > aspects of GP services (i.e. the surgery > with > rude staff
> >> > > and a crappy appointment system may have to shape up). Making >
> >> such
> >> > > > judgements around competing variations on something like IAPT
> >> would need
> >> > > a > lot > of thought. I'm not for a moment trying to contend
> >> > > that this is an ideal > solution but in the face of the NICE
> >> guidelines
> >> > > I'm wondering if we need > more not less of this. >
> >> > > > Happy Easter > > John > >
> >> > > > ________________________________________________ Dr John
> McGowan,
> >> >
> >> > > Year/Academic > Director, Centre for Applied Social and
> >> Psychological
> >> > > Development, > Canterbury > Christchurch University, Salomons
> >> > > Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge > Wells > Kent TN3 0TG
> >> > > +44 (0)1892 507778
> >> > >
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > www.salomonscaspd.org.uk <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/>
> >> > > www.canterbury.ac.uk <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > ________________________________ > >
> From: The UK
> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG > NEWNES
> >> > > > Sent: Wed 08/04/2009 4:53 PM > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
> >> - BY
> >> > > 30 > APRIL > > > Anyone with responsibility
> >> > > for budgets in the NHS will recognize this red > herring before
> you
> >> can
> >> > > say, " THE NHS exists to subsidize Big Pharma and > its PSY
> >> > > acolytes." For almost 20 years I defended a psy-budget against the
> >> >
> >> > > so-called overspend on GP drug budgets. In 2006 the drug budget in
> >> >
> >> > > Shropshire > was ?5M in the red so the budget managers were told
> >> to, yet
> >> > > again, cut > posts to > pay the bill. The NHS is already a
> >> > > marketplace. Thank goodness that the > IAPT > scheme will
> >> > > enable all these unemployed NHS staff to go to CBT therapists
> >> > > > and - > er - get jobs as cleaners or whatever. >
> >> > > Craig > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John Cromby
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >
> >> > > > >
> From: John Cromby
> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
> >> >
> >> > > BY 30 APRIL > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > Our
> >> > > health needs and social care needs have been thoroughly >
> distorted
> >> by
> >> > > > top-down policy imperatives and so-called 'evidence based
> >> > > > practice', > and > consistently subordinated to budgetary
> >> > > constraints that prioritise > the > fighting > of
> >> > > neo-colonial wars. Meanwhile, on the home front the 'war on >
> >> > > terror' > legitimates extensive and growing government spending
> >> > > on > technologies to > monitor > and control us rather
> >> > > than care for, heal or - dare I even say it > - nurture > us.
> >> > > > Legitimate challenges to this insane situation, this situation >
> >> > > structured by > an > insane rationality, are increasingly
> >> > > portrayed as 'extremist'. > And, > consonant with its
> >> > > own rational insanity, the reproduction of this > exploitative
> >> > > > social order is to be achieved by any means that those in
> power >
> >> > > imagine that > they can get away with. As of today, it seems that
> >> this can
> >> > > even > include > telling > lies about and excusing the
> >> > > death of a bystander caught up in last > week's > anti-G20
> >> > > demonstrations in London: Ian Tomlinson, who was beaten > and
> >> pushed to
> >> > > > the floor by the police, without provocation, just minutes
> before
> >> > > > he died of a > heart attack. > > In this
> >> > > rationally insane situation, insane
> >> > > solutions to > manufactured problems > can gain a
> >> > > superficial appeal. Marketisation of the NHS or social > care is
> >> just
> >> > > > such an insane solution. We should resist it absolutely. >
> >> > > > J. > > > > > John McGowan
> >> > > wrote: > > This is extremely interesting. Thank you so much for
> >> > > sending it > to the > list. > > I've been
> >> > > thinking recently however that perhaps an increase in > certain
> >> kinds
> >> > > marketisation might actually be a helpful in the > NHS. In some
> >> > > > way > markets (i.e. aggregating the people's decisions about
> >> > > alternative > business > models) could potentially provide an
> >> > > alternative to the rigidity > of the NICE > guidelines. The Dazi
> >> > > review tries to create a market of sorts > through, > nominally
> >> > > > at least, prioritising choice. > > IAPT is potentially
> >> > > quite a good example of where markets > might >
> >> > > actually > help. I can't help feeling that if there was 173
> >> > > million quid > available > and > the question of improving
> >> > > return to (and retention within) work > was put out to > tender
> >> > > some very innovative proposals (including some from members > of
> >> this
> >> > > > list) > might have come back. Perhaps they might even have
> >> > > produced better > results > than > the plan
> >> > > we've got! > > John McGowan > > > >
> >> > > ________________________________ > > > >
> From: The UK
> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of > Wendy >
> >> > > Franks > > Sent: Tue 07/04/2009 9:23 PM > > To:
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS -
> >> > > > BY 30 > APRIL > > > > > >
> >> > > Hello all, > > In case you are not already receiving these
> >> > > emails, here's an > opportunity to voice your objections. All the
> >> > > best, Wendy > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > >
> >From NHS Support Federation, a founder organisation of > Keep
> >> > > Our NHS > Public > > NHS services are now to be provided
> >> > > by a wide range of > organisations all > competing within a
> market.
> >> > > The new Co-operation and Competition > Panel >
> >> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/> for NHS-funded services is to help >
> >> > > deliver > the supposed benefits of competition. It will
> investigate
> >> > > > potential breaches > of > the Principles and Rules >
> >> > >
> >>
> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf>
>
> >> > > > as defined by the Department of Health. It will also advise the
> >> > > > Department of > Health and the foundation trust regulator
> >> > > Monitor. The > Co-operation and > Competition Panel is a misnomer
> >> > > as its
> >> > > remit is weighted so > heavily in favour > of >
> >> > > promoting competition, whilst neglecting the considerable benefits
> >> >
> >> > > of > cooperation. > > > > We need your help to
> >> > > respond forcefully to the Panel's > current > consultation and
> >> > > to lobby MPs. Please write a letter objecting to > the >
> imposition
> >> > > > of competition and commercial values on the NHS and raising
> the >
> >> > > crucial > questions listed below. Send your letter to the
> >> Co-operation
> >> > > and > Competition > Panel at the address below and a copy to your
> >> MP.
> >> > > > > > > Send to: Interim Guidelines Consultation, >
> >> > > Cooperation and Competition > Panel, 1 Horse Guards Road, London,
> >> > > SW1A 2HQ or email >
> >> > >
> >>
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>.
>
> >> > > Respond by 30 April. > > > > Points to make: > >
> >> > > > > 1. Will the panel ensure that the
> >> > > alternative of a > publicly led service > is included in
> >> > > consultations about future tenders? 2. Is > the duplication of >
> >> > > services to produce choice a good use of resources which >
> >> constitutes
> >> > > economic > efficiency, especially given that the benefits of
> >> > > competition in > healthcare > are > unproven (indeed Minster of
> >> > > State Ben Bradshaw said that the "mix > of > competition and
> >> > > co-operation in the NHS is a unique model in the > world")? >
> >> > > 3. Will the tendering process be fair and > transparent, with no
> >> > > discrimination > against NHS organisations in favour of either
> >> > > commercial or > voluntary bodies > or > social
> >> > > enterprises? 4. Will the public be consulted on an > ongoing basis
> >> > > about > local tenders e.g. via local involvement networks (LINks)?
> >> > > 5. > Will the panel > foster co-operation not only between
> >> > > commissioners and providers, > but between
> >> > > > providers, a hope expressed by Richard Taylor MP in a debate in
> >> > > > Parliament on > 24 > February? > > > >
> >> > > > > It is vital to protect and promote a publicly led NHS >
> >> > > which has an ethos > which is truly patient-centred. We must
> insist
> >> to the
> >> > > Panel that > our > objections > to the notion of a health
> >> > > service based on a competitive market > are widely > shared. With
> >> > > your help we must ensure that our views are not > ignored. >
> >> > > > > > You can see the consultation paper >
> >> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf> , the >
> >> > > four > guidance documents which are the subject of the
> >> consultation,
> >> > > and > the response > template at >
> >> > >
> >>
> http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html.
> >> > > > > > > > > Please send us copies of your letters or
> >> > > emails. Thanks > for your help.
> >> > > > > NHS Support Federation > > > > >
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> >> > > Jeffrey >
> >> > > ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>) > >
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> >> Jeffrey
> >> > > >
> >> > > ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>) >
> >> > > > -- ******************************************************** >
> >> John
> >> > > Cromby > Department of Human Sciences > Loughborough University
> >> > > > Loughborough, Leics > LE11 3TU England > Tel: 01509
> >> > > 223000 > Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > Personal webpage: http://www-staff.lboro.ac.uk/~hujc4/ >
> >> Co-Editor,
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