Yes indeed - but it isn't a competition and there is a psychological
dimension to all of this. However my CC activity is not via psych
channels.
Mark
John Cromby wrote:
> For sure Mark. I'm not at all opposed to our doing something about
> climate change. I just think we might, as psychologists, deploy our
> energies more usefully in support of a campaign where our specific
> expertise would be more readily recognised by others. As it stands I
> think that e.g. sociologists, economists, geographers and
> climatologists (obviously I guess!) probably have more legitimacy to
> speak on climate change than us.
> J.
>
> Mark Burton wrote:
>> But we have multiple roles - ciizens, workers, professionals, etc
>> etc. Our specific professional expertise is to understnad the
>> connections between thought, emotion, behaviour, ideology, the
>> material world. OK so we do that in different flavours (clinical,
>> comunity, educational, academic and hybrids of all) but surely the
>> key is that we have a general exopertise that goes with our general
>> social responsibility and our general stake-holderness (the capacity
>> to be winners and losers).
>> I used to work with someone who claimed to be the last 'general
>> psychologist'. Now I think I know what he meant.
>> If we stay within a narrow professional identity then CC and other
>> big social problems do remain outside our remit.
>> We can uses the adage 'think global - act local' to help us approach
>> this - but I'd be the one arguing for a biggish definition of the local.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Miriam's comments are as ever well-informed and incisive, but we
>> don't
>> > need to be psychologists to agree with them. Climate change is
>> vitally
>> > important and we might usefully produce a statement of the kind
>> Miriam
>> > proposes: it wouldn't (shouldn't!) take much effort. But overall I
>> agree
>> > with Craig: we're perhaps better off focusing our energies on
>> something
>> > that's both achievable and within our specific realm of professional
>> > expertise.
>> >
>> > J.
>> >
>> >
>> > miriam hollis wrote:
>> >> I think that, as Community Psychologists who are looking to have a
>> >> collective voice in the community/world which will have a
>> constructive
>> >> impact upon the issues which are negatively impacting upon the most
>> >> vulnerable, we have to have a very clear statement and intention
>> when we
>> >> speak.
>> >>
>> >> Although my own view is that we are living in a western culture
>> which is
>> >> now so avaricious and self interested that this seems to me to be
>> >> reflected in discussions about climate change. My kids ( now
>> almost all
>> >> adults) long complained about the cycle rides to school in all
>> weathers,
>> >> the walks to the nearest recycling banks, the trawling through
>> charity
>> >> shops and jumble sales, and the long days on the allotments
>> during their
>> >> end of primary school years. More so as we live in a
>> neighbourhood which
>> >> is wanting to recreate community, yet is atypical in that they
>> alternate
>> >> whether they get into his/her or the sons car to go to the
>> newsagent,
>> >> and pop their newspapers into the back of the car for the recycling
>> >> trip. And it was always a mystery why the school Santa always forgot
>> >> that we were vegans.
>> >> Yet such is the nature of the society that we live in, that
>> recycling
>> >> also became a source of shame: jumble sales and charity shops were a
>> >> source of humiliation ( until reclaimed in late teens), recycling
>> was
>> >> "hippy", and even the teachers teased about the cycling to
>> school. These
>> >> attitudes are ones which affect our client groups - the teasing
>> of kids
>> >> in school as the haves and have nots make assumptions about
>> status. For
>> >> them it may not be an option, and they don't necessary want to
>> identify
>> >> themselves with this kind of lifestyle, because the very thing
>> that they
>> >> want to do is reshape their sense of identity as poor or
>> disadvantaged.
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand there are now the ructions between the
>> >> environmentalists and the open cast coal miners who are desparate to
>> >> reopen mines and have work.
>> >>
>> >> At this level the issues are so closely intertwined with social
>> >> economics, issues of self worth, prospects of social aspiration,
>> >> advantage/disadvatage, that from a distance it still looks like a
>> >> separatist debate.
>> >>
>> >> Climate change is one of the issues which reflect the power issues
>> >> prevalent in not only our society, but the world. Whilst we focus
>> only
>> >> on issues of energy and sources of energy - we miss that it
>> matters not
>> >> that as individuals we are buying locally, using energy efficiency,
>> >> ditching the car ( or buying that great looking new electric model),
>> >> consuming less and so forth. The major capitalist attitudes which
>> have
>> >> their own self interests to serve are consuming more and more energy
>> >> without any Government sanctions of any note. New buildings are
>> going up
>> >> without any Government legislation to insist that each new home
>> is built
>> >> on energy efficient lines, with triple glazing, water conservation,
>> >> photvoltaic cells, solar panels, wind turbines. The only housing
>> project
>> >> in my City which is totally self sufficinet in terms of energy (
>> and can
>> >> sell back to the local grid) were fought tooth and nail by their
>> local
>> >> authority to prevent them from using a wind turbine.
>> >> When 90% of the wealth is in the hands of 10% of the people, the
>> power
>> >> is in the hands of those 10% and so the initiatives to make the
>> >> population less dependent upon them for sources of anything
>> whatsoever
>> >> will be resisted strongly. All energy supplies are provided by
>> >> organisations owned by the wealthiest in society. They have no
>> intention
>> >> of allowing me or you to be energy efficient. Although we can
>> try. We
>> >> can continue to do all that we can as individuals. However, we
>> have to
>> >> understand that we have to be speaking out about the sources of
>> power
>> >> within the society that ultimately prevents a shift in the way
>> that the
>> >> world survives and all the people that live here have a better
>> quality
>> >> of existance.
>> >>
>> >> If all of us were energy self sufficient - can you imagine towns and
>> >> cities not needing to pay for energy services? Some of us would love
>> >> that, feel great about it, the poorest would certainly be better
>> off (
>> >> but they would probably get their benefits cut or the minimum
>> wage cut
>> >> accordingly as these rates are set based on the minimum necessary to
>> >> sustain life).
>> >>
>> >> What we need to be looking at is: are we brave enough to come out
>> and
>> >> say that the inequalities of wealth are contributing to climate
>> change,
>> >> poverty, disadvantage, erroded confidence, poor mental health,
>> global
>> >> inequality?
>> >>
>> >> If we are not, then the discussion might as well carry on at the
>> pub.
>> >>
>> >> Miriam H
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:02:35 +0100
>> >> >
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> >> change - room for equality and diversity
>> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually I don't want to get distracted either. I'm actually quite
>> >> interested in people's thoughts on the quesitons I was trying to
>> >> formulate last night. Being sceptical about local consumption (which
>> >> even though something was grown down the road may have no extra
>> value in
>> >> terms of emmissions), Transitions towns etc not the same as being
>> >> scepticl about climate change more generally.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am interested in hearing more from Craig too however as one
>> of my
>> >> discomforts with this whol area is that is seems to become about
>> a kind
>> >> of tribal penance.
>> >> >
>> >> > John
>> >> >
>> >> > ________________________________
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Mark
>> >> Burton
>> >> > Sent: Sat 18/04/2009 10:03 AM
>> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing climate
>> >> change - room for equality and diversity
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Before we get into a sterile debate about whether or not CC is
>> >> areality
>> >> > - here is a compilaion that debunks the supposed arguments that it
>> >> isn't
>> >> > really happening - or if it is it wasn't me (or SHell, Texaco,
>> Coal)
>> >> guv.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2007/07/23/anti-global-heating-claims-a-reasonably-thorough-debunking/
>>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > John McGowan wrote:
>> >> > > Hi Craig, you've mentioned this a couple of times now and it
>> would
>> >> be interesting to hear more about it. Both the notion that human
>> >> activity has limited influence over climate (I presume you might
>> have
>> >> someone like Bjorn Lomborg
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg in mind?) and the
>> kind
>> >> of vested interests crerading and plugging this concept might serve.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > John
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ________________________________________________ Dr John
>> McGowan,
>> >> Year/Academic Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological
>> >> Development, Canterbury Christchurch University, Salomons
>> Broomhill Road
>> >> Southborough Tunbridge Wells Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778
>> >> [log in to unmask] www.salomonscaspd.org.uk
>> >> www.canterbury.ac.uk
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ________________________________
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
>> >> CRAIG NEWNES
>> >> > > Sent: Fri 17/04/2009 11:30 PM
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing
>> climate
>> >> change - room for equality and diversity
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Does ANYONE on the list understand that the "idea" of climate
>> >> change serves vested interests?
>> >> > > Craig
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --- On Fri, 17/4/09, John McGowan
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> From: John McGowan <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing
>> climate
>> >> change - room for equality and diversity
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Date: Friday, 17 April, 2009, 9:19 PM
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > A little late to this. The prospect of a conference on these
>> issues
>> >> sounds very
>> >> > > interesting. I'm genuinely curious as to the contribution
>> >> psychological
>> >> > > thinking can make in these areas. Had a look at the Manchester
>> >> website. It looks
>> >> > > as if it is quite conprehensive in some ways. It does however
>> seem
>> >> to place
>> >> > > grerat faith in local production of commodities as a way of
>> >> reducing carbon
>> >> > > emmissions. This often seems quite questionable. My view of
>> this is
>> >> a little
>> >> > > skewed I think by my local transition town group (Lewes in East
>> >> Sussex) who
>> >> > > basically seem to be a club of middle class people who really
>> >> struggle to say
>> >> > > anything relevant to the wider community and place all thier
>> faith
>> >> in the notion
>> >> > > of local purchasing and a large (and incredibly widely
>> publicised)
>> >> LETs scheme
>> >> > > which seems to have little demostrable value beyond novelty.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I also wonder about if a climate change adgenda with a social
>> >> justice one as
>> >> > > the two may not always be the most natural bedfellows. Obviously
>> >> the reality is
>> >> > > that poor people tend to get disproportionately screwed by
>> climate
>> >> change but
>> >> > > the debate often tends to scapegoat them too (flying too
>> much, or
>> >> shopping in
>> >> > > ASDA os whatever etc). It leaves me curious as to how, short of
>> >> taking a
>> >> > > completely dystopian view that the collapse of many familier
>> >> entities is
>> >> > > imminent, is is possible to involve wider communities in
>> >> initiatives relevant to
>> >> > > them. Especially in tough economic times wiere the low road
>> to ASDA
>> >> may look
>> >> > > more attractive.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > There is a case to be made that a number of capitalist tools
>> such
>> >> as managed
>> >> > > markets might have some controbution to make if the caps can be
>> >> brought low
>> >> > > enough. This kind of tool does seem to have had a powerful
>> effect
>> >> on acid rain.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Anyway, friday night and perhaps am not making much sense.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > John
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ________________________________________________ Dr John
>> McGowan,
>> >> Year/Academic
>> >> > > Director, Centre for Applied Social and Psychological
>> Development,
>> >> Canterbury
>> >> > > Christchurch University, Salomons Broomhill Road Southborough
>> >> Tunbridge Wells
>> >> > > Kent TN3 0TG +44 (0)1892 507778 [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > www.salomonscaspd.org.uk www.canterbury.ac.uk
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ________________________________
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of
>> >> Annie Mitchell
>> >> > > Sent: Wed 15/04/2009 3:28 PM
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing
>> climate
>> >> change -
>> >> > > room for equality and diversity
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yes. Following though on this link, you can find
>> >> > >
>> >> > > in an interview reported on BBC home page, Ian Stewart from
>> >> University of
>> >> > > Plymouth School of Earth, Ocean and Environmental Science who
>> >> presented BBC
>> >> > > Earth: Climate Wars, saying stuff that surely should give us
>> pause
>> >> as
>> >> > > (community) psychologists and get us thinking about our
>> >> role/contribution ( or
>> >> > > lack of so far) (I've cut and pasted):
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If society is to make any progress on effectively dealing with
>> >> climate change
>> >> > > at a regional or global level, what is imperative is that
>> ordinary
>> >> people help
>> >> > > build a political climate at grass-roots level that accepts the
>> >> problem exists
>> >> > > and demands some serious actions by business and government. For
>> >> me, that begins
>> >> > > with people accepting that there is no hiding place left in the
>> >> science - the
>> >> > > overwhelming consensus of the vast body of scientists that study
>> >> climate is that
>> >> > > the trends we are seeing in the air, the oceans and in our
>> >> ecosystems are
>> >> > > entirely consistent with the theory of global warming, while the
>> >> alternatives
>> >> > > offered by sceptical scientists - even the much heralded role of
>> >> the Sun - so
>> >> > > far fail that test.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Blaming scientific uncertainty is now not an option to delay
>> >> action. Sure,
>> >> > > actions by individuals can make a difference, but real progress
>> >> will only come
>> >> > > when individuals come together with a strong, common voice to
>> >> demand that
>> >> > > rhetoric turns into regulation. And that's where I see my
>> role - in
>> >> > > convincing ordinary folk that this is an issue that they should
>> >> care about, not
>> >> > > because it will affect them but, more insidiously, it will be
>> their
>> >> legacy to
>> >> > > their kids and grandkids.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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>> >> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of richard
>> >> pemberton
>> >> > > Sent: 15 April 2009 14:33
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing
>> climate
>> >> change -
>> >> > > room for equality and diversity
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Don't offset - sandbag
>> >> > >
>> >>
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>> difference
>> >> in
>> >> > > the battle against climate change.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Richard
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 4/15/09, CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The "idea" of climate change is indeed promoted by individual
>> >> action
>> >> > > with vested interest (selling tropical plants in Halifax,
>> anyone).
>> >> But
>> >> > > "climate change" happens in cycles far removed from human
>> >> endeavour.
>> >> > > The climate is way beyond human control or influence - unlike
>> >> newspaper articles
>> >> > > which are wriiten by over-excited "experts" getting their
>> slice of
>> >> > > cake.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Craig
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> From: David Fryer <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing
>> climate
>> >> change -
>> >> > > room for equality and diversity
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 11:53 PM
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi Craig,
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Obvious but ... to assert that destructive climate change has
>> been
>> >> brought
>> >> > > about by the behaviours (or actions as I prefer prefer) of
>> >> individual people
>> >> > > and that it can be reversed or prevented from getting even
>> worse by
>> >> > > psychologists changing the behaviour or action of individual
>> people
>> >> one at a
>> >> > > time, as 'institutional' psychologists do, even if they were
>> >> effective
>> >> > > in doing so which, as you say, is not the case, is not only
>> silly
>> >> but hugely
>> >> > > problematic at practical, theoretical and ideological levels.
>> That
>> >> needs
>> >> > > pointing out ... but we claim as 'community' psychologists to
>> know
>> >> > > something about less problematic ways of deploying
>> psychology. So
>> >> why not do
>> >> > > both through a uk ccp climate change initiative? No point in
>> >> pointing at the
>> >> > > mainstream acritical institutional psychologists saying 'told
>> you
>> >> so' as
>> >> > > the water covers all our heads?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > By the way I am not sure psychologists need to know a lot about
>> >> behaviour
>> >> > > change to be complicit in it happening ... the roles of
>> psychology
>> >> in
>> >> > > governmentality and control of behaviour / action) have been
>> pretty
>> >> persuasively
>> >> > > spelled out by Foucault and Rose in my view.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > David
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ________________________________
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> From: CRAIG NEWNES <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 23:01:19
>> >> > > Subject: Re: UKCP Conference addressing climate change - room
>> for
>> >> equality and
>> >> > > diversity
>> >> > >
>> >> > > David, Psychologists know FUCK ALL about behaviour change. As
>> you
>> >> know, it just
>> >> > > happens, and we don't know why (even if you were to believe
>> in the
>> >> rather
>> >> > > silly concept of "why"). To claim they know might give them 5
>> >> minutes
>> >> > > of fame but, hey, look what just happened to "financial experts"
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cx
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> From: Fryer, David <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP Conference addressing
>> climate
>> >> change -
>> >> > > room for equality and diversity
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 1:56 PM
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi Craig, I agree that any achieved progressive change would be
>> >> wonderful
>> >> > > and worth more than any number of futile gestures. I agree
>> that any
>> >> small
>> >> > > achievable change re psy complex tyranny would be really
>> worthwhile
>> >> but think
>> >> > > any small achievable change re climate change would be
>> worthwhile
>> >> too (both may
>> >> > > be possible simultaneously given some psy-complexperimenters'
>> >> insistence
>> >> > > that climate change can be addressed through behaviour
>> change) - we
>> >> would not
>> >> > > need to address the whole problem of climate change (or
>> psycomplex
>> >> tyranny) in
>> >> > > order to achieve something worthwhile? However there seems to be
>> >> enthusiasm
>> >> > > on the list to see what we can offer distinctively as community
>> >> critical
>> >> > > psychologists in relation to climate change so why not go for
>> that
>> >> as a
>> >> > > starting place? David ________________________________
>> From: The UK
>> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG NEWNES
>> >> Sent: Tue
>> >> > > 14/04/2009 22:00 To: [log in to unmask] Subject:
>> Re:
>> >> UKCP
>> >> > > Conference addressing climate change - room for equality and
>> >> diversity
>> >> > > Some time ago I suggested that the list considers putting effort
>> >> (not talk)
>> >> > > into ONE small achievable change. Climate Change seems a
>> little -
>> >> er - big and
>> >> > > way outside of human, let alone Community Psychology control.
>> It's
>> >> not as if
>> >> > > there aren't countless groups protesting, marching, publicly
>> >> debating the
>> >> > > economics of American and post-industrial exploitation etc, etc.
>> >> Agreeing on ONE
>> >> > > focus does not take away from the need to address process,
>> mutual
>> >> respect and
>> >> > > so on but it might make a small difference -
>> >> > > to us and the wider community. We could, for example, as a group
>> >> voacalise
>> >> > > the need for a ban on psychiatric and psychological
>> diagnoses. We
>> >> could fight
>> >> > > for ONE example of the PSYcomplex's tyranny to be overturned -
>> >> e.g., there
>> >> > > is a case in Holland of parents trying to have their son killed
>> >> (euthanased) on
>> >> > > the basis he is diagnosed with ADHD - this has been in the
>> courts
>> >> for three
>> >> > > years and has yet to appear in the UK press. In a way, it
>> doesn't
>> >> matter
>> >> > > which target we aim at, as long as it is achievable. After all
>> >> cling film was
>> >> > > originally designed exclusively for the Apollo missions - and
>> now
>> >> it's
>> >> > > taken over the world. Craig --- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Fryer
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> From: David Fryer
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] UKCP
>> >> Conference
>> >> > > addressing climate change - room for equality and diversity To:
>> >> > > [log in to unmask] Date: Tuesday, 14 April,
>> 2009, 1:36
>> >> AM
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Dear Jacqui I will reply separately to the two issues so
>> >> > > they have different subject lines for ongoing discussion In case
>> >> > > it was not clear I agree that equality and diversity are
>> absolutely
>> >> key issues
>> >> > > in relation to climate change and would hope and expect that
>> they
>> >> would be
>> >> > > addressed either directly or indirectly in all conference
>> debates.
>> >> But I am
>> >> > > suggesting we try to focus debate at our conferences rather
>> more in
>> >> the future
>> >> > > than in the past. I suggest a community critical conference
>> >> focusing on climate
>> >> > > change which addressed issues of equality, diversity,
>> >> participation, power,
>> >> > > ideology, praxis, poverty in relation to climate change would be
>> >> exciting and
>> >> > > potentially more productive re leading to action than our
>> meetings
>> >> have tended
>> >> > > to be recently. I think a title directing people to the focal
>> issue
>> >> of climate
>> >> > > change from a community critical perspective and some fairly
>> tight
>> >> reviewing of
>> >> > > submissions could help produce a more
>> >> > > focused and more effective conference whilst still making
>> room for
>> >> all.
>> >> > > Of course we will all have ideas and it will be the conference
>> >> organisers
>> >> > > ... Annie, Lisa and their colleagues who should decide on
>> what form
>> >> the
>> >> > > conference takes if they decide they are going to proceed but I
>> >> took Annie to
>> >> > > request list people to contribute their ideas etc so am glad you
>> >> and I are
>> >> > > doing so Since my earlier message I heard of a conference which
>> >> > > may also be of interest not so much because many of us will
>> be able
>> >> to present
>> >> > > actually or virtually but because it illustrates a different and
>> >> interesting
>> >> > > way of tackling the issues SIXTH INTERNATIONAL
>> >> > > CONFERENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL, CULTURAL, ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
>> >> SUSTAINABILITY
>> >> > > University of Cuenca, Ecuador 5-7 January 2010
>> >> > > http://www.SustainabilityConference.com
>> >> <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/>
>> >> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/>
>> >> > > <http://www.sustainabilityconference.com/> best wishes,
>> >> > > David
>> >> > > ________________________________
>> From: jacqui lovell
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 5:01:29 Subject: Re: UKCP
>> Conference
>> >> > > addressing climate change from a community critical standpoint?
>> >> > > "tetchy" David, I prefer to think that from the frustration
>> comes
>> >> the
>> >> > > growth! I agree with David that a focus may be good but can we
>> >> > > leave room for equality and diversity in this as well please
>> Annie,
>> >> I like your
>> >> > > original title, "equality, sustainability and community
>> well-being"
>> >> > > as this has room for all. Jac
>> >> > > ________________________________ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:45:58
>> >> > > +0000
>> From: [log in to unmask] Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
>> >> > > UKCP Conference addressing climate change from a community
>> critical
>> >> standpoint?
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask] Dear Annie,
>> >> > > I think your tentative suggestion of the UKCP Conference
>> >> > > addressing climate change from a community critical
>> standpoint is
>> >> really
>> >> > > valuable. We seem to have got into a pattern of organising our
>> >> conferences to
>> >> > > be as wide in topic as possible so that anyone interested in CP
>> >> could present
>> >> > > whatever they are doing. That is well intentioned but leads
>> to very
>> >> general
>> >> > > conference conference reflected in all inclusive titles (even
>> >> 'Equality,
>> >> > > Sustainability and Community Well-Being' verges on that).
>> That has
>> >> been OK
>> >> > > up to a point but we have had some rather unfocused and
>> sometimes
>> >> defensive or
>> >> > > even tetchy meetings. I think it is worth trying a different
>> tack.
>> >> I think
>> >> > > going for a specific focused problem such as climate change,
>> >> ensuring it is
>> >> > > addressed searchingly from a community critical psychology
>> >> perspective, and
>> >> > > designing it from the start to be ecologically sound in process
>> >> (e.g. reducing
>> >> > > its carbon footprint) and action oriented in outcome, would be
>> >> good. In line
>> >> > > with our approach, this can be
>> >> > > inclusive in the sense that people need not be experts in
>> climate
>> >> change to
>> >> > > contribute but can apply whatever experience, interests and
>> skills
>> >> they have to
>> >> > > climate change issues. For example there has been a lot of
>> interest
>> >> in the NHS
>> >> > > and 'the market' on this list lately and some might like to
>> think
>> >> about
>> >> > > how the NHS and/or market are related to climate change. Others
>> >> might be
>> >> > > interested in interrelations between poverty and climate
>> change ...
>> >> you might
>> >> > > remember that Cathy McCormack talked to us at one conference
>> about
>> >> radical
>> >> > > tenants' activism in relation to damp housing, health and mental
>> >> health
>> >> > > which also addressed climate changes (the poorest in Glasgow
>> were
>> >> spending
>> >> > > massive proportions of their inadequate benefit to heat the
>> sky yet
>> >> shivering
>> >> > > and suffering damp related illness and misery. Others with
>> >> participatory working
>> >> > > skills might like to think how to deploy them re climate change.
>> >> Others can
>> >> > > develop effective praxis in related to
>> >> > > climate change. Others can critique the discipline of
>> psychology in
>> >> relation
>> >> > > to climate change etc. I think there is a lot of important
>> >> international
>> >> > > lessons to learn. For example Trisha Conway taught me
>> recently that
>> >> middle
>> >> > > class climate change activists have much to learn from the US
>> >> environmental
>> >> > > justice movement within which poor Americans, often black, have
>> >> collectively
>> >> > > fearlessly challenged the (re) location of their communities in
>> >> ecologically
>> >> > > toxic sites. I strongly support you in thinking about hosting
>> >> > > the next CP conference in Devon in Spring 2010 but when you are
>> >> thinking about
>> >> > > dates please remember the III International Conference on
>> Community
>> >> Psychology
>> >> > > will be held in Puebla, México, from 3rd to 5th June 2010 please
>> >> try to avoid
>> >> > > a clash of dates as some - including me - might want to attend
>> >> both. Just
>> >> > > before or just after would be great (for me) David
>> >> > > ________________________________
>> From: Annie
>> >> > > Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
>> >> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009
>> >> 18:45:25
>> >> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> >> > > market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Dear David and all,
>> >> > > Seems unlikely to be a co-incidence, as you say - frustrating
>> >> process and v
>> >> > > unsettling as you say re mainstream academic and applied
>> psychology
>> >> uncritical
>> >> > > position re climate change - and it sounds from what you say
>> that
>> >> the latest
>> >> > > planned BPS event will, true to current BPS form, be pretty
>> >> uncritical...be
>> >> > > great if we as community psychologists could assemble a more
>> >> critical take
>> >> > > (beyond " large scale behaviour change projects" ), that puts
>> >> together
>> >> > > the social inequalities agenda, along with the climate
>> change/peak
>> >> oil issue
>> >> > > and economic collapse ( linking perhaps with some of the more
>> >> critical medics
>> >> > > who are writing on this topic using public health arguments as
>> >> their way in) . I
>> >> > > thought
>> >> > > that mark's essay on the site he posted us to came the
>> closest yet
>> >> of
>> >> > > anything I;ve read to do that - ( do read it everyone who is
>> >> interested in this
>> >> > > debate!); also there is a good chapter on this in Richard
>> >> Wilkinson's/
>> >> > > kate Picket's Spirit Level isnt there . A community psych
>> >> > > conference might be a good way to take a more critical stance...
>> >> lisa thorne
>> >> > > and i are hoping to be able to announce via this list by end of
>> >> April that we
>> >> > > would be willing and able to host next conference in Devon
>> spring
>> >> 2010, but we
>> >> > > are still not certain ... meantime, at this pre-planning stage -
>> >> any comments
>> >> > > re whether this would make a good conference theme very
>> welcome.:
>> >> we are
>> >> > > thinking so far something along the lines of "equality,
>> >> sustainability
>> >> > > and community well-being". Good wishes, Annie
>> >> > > ________________________________________
>> From: The UK
>> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List
>> >> [[log in to unmask]] On
>> >> > > Behalf Of
>> >> > > David Fryer [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 10 April 2009 11:31
>> >> > > To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re:
>> [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK]
>> >> thanks
>> >> > > Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based NHS
>> - BY
>> >> 30 APRIL
>> >> > > Dear Annie and everyone on this list, Annie wrote
>> >> > > "I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a "high
>> >> > > level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't
>> happen for
>> >> > > some reason ( unexplained)." Here is an explanation. There
>> >> > > are two parts to the explanation. After consulting people who
>> >> > > had been elected Fellows of the BPS (collectively sometimes
>> known
>> >> as 'The
>> >> > > College of Fellows') the Committee of the College of Fellows
>> of the
>> >> BPS, of
>> >> > > which I was a member and then Chairperson, decided to address a
>> >> series of
>> >> > > issues identified by Fellows as important. The first of these
>> was a
>> >> day
>> >> > > conference on community psychology. This was held in London.
>> Half
>> >> of the day
>> >> > > involved presentations by Ed Cairns
>> >> > > (Northern Ireland), Serdar Degirmencioglu (Turkey), Reachout
>> Mental
>> >> Health
>> >> > > Expressive Arts group (Scotland), Cathy McCormack (Scotland) and
>> >> me. The second
>> >> > > half was discussion. As you can tell it was critical in
>> standpoint.
>> >> It was a
>> >> > > sell out. The second issue to be addressed was 'psychology and
>> >> climate
>> >> > > change'. Lots of effort went into planning this, a date was
>> set and
>> >> Ian
>> >> > > Parker invited as Key Speaker and accepted. Ian was preparing
>> his
>> >> talk which
>> >> > > promised to argue something along the lines that neo-liberal
>> >> manifestations of
>> >> > > capitalism required the rape of the planet and the
>> exploitation of
>> >> its peoples
>> >> > > and psychology was complicit with the maintenance of the current
>> >> neo-liberal
>> >> > > status quo. Officers of the BPS then got in touch with the
>> CoF and
>> >> told us that
>> >> > > the Society had decided to put a lot of resources and effort
>> into a
>> >> big climate
>> >> > > change event, that the CoF climate change event could detract /
>> >> distract
>> >> > > attention from this /duplicate /
>> >> > > etc and asked if the CoF would go in with the bigger event
>> instead
>> >> of doing
>> >> > > its own thing. After much agonising the CoF decided to do
>> that but
>> >> only on
>> >> > > condition that the invitation issued to Ian Parker was
>> honoured and
>> >> he spoke at
>> >> > > the bigger do. That was agreed at the time. See below. Note here
>> >> though that
>> >> > > shortly after this, the Society decided to reconsider if
>> there was
>> >> a role for
>> >> > > the CoF and eventually decided there was not and to wind it
>> up and
>> >> that has now
>> >> > > happened. As Chair of the CoF I had been asked to sit on a
>> >> > > Society Committee to develop the bigger Climate Change event. It
>> >> was made clear
>> >> > > at the first meeting that the new committee did not consider
>> itself
>> >> bound by
>> >> > > the decision to invite Ian Parker to address the new
>> conference and
>> >> decided not
>> >> > > to do so. There were quite a few meetings and a lot of work was
>> >> done. I was not
>> >> > > that happy with the discussions myself as it seemed to me to be
>> >> largely
>> >> > > acritical and individualistic.
>> >> > > Nevertheless I persisted in arguing for community psychology and
>> >> critical
>> >> > > inputs at the conference. Then out of the blue the BPS
>> decided that
>> >> it was in
>> >> > > financial difficulties, that it needed to trim its activities
>> and
>> >> suddenly the
>> >> > > climate change conference - even in its incipient conservative
>> >> version - was
>> >> > > put on the back burner. Even so the committee persisted and the
>> >> latest plans
>> >> > > are for a half day meeting maybe in October which will publicise
>> >> > > multi-disciplinary and multi-centred large scale behaviour
>> change
>> >> projects
>> >> > > drawing on psychological research at the principle research
>> centres
>> >> and then
>> >> > > give short presentations on contributions of health,
>> counselling,
>> >> clinical,
>> >> > > organisational & community psychology I think there is
>> >> > > something very coincidental about two climate change conferences
>> >> being
>> >> > > cancelled. I also think there i something very unsettling
>> about the
>> >> uncritical
>> >> > > position of mainstream psychology re climate change.
>> >> > > Psychology and climate change is at risk of becoming a middle
>> class
>> >> hobby
>> >> > > horses concerned with getting people to recycle their claret
>> >> bottles. The
>> >> > > complicity of institutional psychology (including clinical
>> >> psychology) with the
>> >> > > preservation of the neo-liberal status quo which is hell bent on
>> >> exploitative
>> >> > > expansionism damaging people and ecosystems is not receiving the
>> >> critique it
>> >> > > requires. David ________________________________
>> >> > >
>> From: Annie Mitchell <[log in to unmask]> To:
>> >> > > [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, 10 April, 2009
>> >> 8:15:05
>> >> > > Subject: Re: thanks Annie Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> >> market-based
>> >> > > NHS - BY 30 APRIL thanks Mark excellent links. So great to read
>> >> > > what you are doing in Manchester. Here in Devon some of us are
>> >> involved in the
>> >> > > Transition Town movement. Working with others re climate change
>> >> > > surely should be now our top priority . It links with everything
>> >> community
>> >> > > psychology is about: challenging power and vested interests re
>> >> consumerism
>> >> > > and capitalism, bottom up political action, reducing social
>> >> inequalities
>> >> > > internationally as well as nationally, linking local l with
>> global
>> >> concerns;
>> >> > > community well-being and resilience with sustainability etc etc;
>> >> not to mention
>> >> > > leaving a world behind so our grandchildren can live. It is very
>> >> > > disappointing how behind the times both academic and applied
>> >> psychology is on
>> >> > > this topic; I know there was a recent special issue in the
>> >> Psychologist
>> >> > > recently with a few good articles ( none very radical though)
>> but
>> >> for example
>> >> > > almost every issue now of BMJ has climate change/ public
>> health in
>> >> there
>> >> > > somewhere. I know David Fryer was involved in what he called a
>> >> > > "high level" BPS event planning re climate change which didn't
>> >> > > happen for some reason ( unexplained) . Now - if I were less of
>> >> > > a luddite I guess this is the moment when I should turn to
>> the new
>> >> technology
>> >> > > Grant has initiated for us, as there are at least 2 different
>> >> topics
>> >> > > budding off here: save our NHS ( can Sustainable Communities Act
>> >> help etc etc);
>> >> > > climate change action ( what could/shuld community
>> psycholgists do
>> >> etc etc).
>> >> > > Annie ________________________________________
>> >> > >
>> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>
>> >> > > On Behalf Of Mark Burton
>> >> > > [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] Sent: 09
>> >> April
>> >> > > 2009 23:26 To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] thanks Annie Re:
>> [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW:
>> >> Say no to
>> >> > > a market-based NHS - BY 30 APRIL Thanks Annie Good to see you
>> are
>> >> > > ative onclimate change - despite my recent attempts ther has
>> been
>> >> almost zero
>> >> > > interest from the list on this and related topics. Anyway I'm
>> quite
>> >> busy
>> >> > > on a couple of inititiatives
>> >> > > http://greendealmanchester.wordpress.com/ includes my latest
>> >> analysis
>> >> > > of th 'crisis' http://www.calltorealaction.wordpress.com/
>> >> > > Mark > further to my email below , here attached
>> >> > > for those who want to know more, > or who want to alert
>> others, the
>> >> > > Local Works guide to the Sustainable > Communitities Act. >
>> >> > > > Annie > > >
>> >> > > ________________________________________ >
>> From: The UK Community
>> >> > > Psychology Discussion List >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>
>> >> > > On Behalf Of Annie Mitchell >
>> >> > >
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> >> > > > Sent: 09 April 2009 22:31 > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> market-based NHS
>> >> - BY 30
>> >> > > > APRIL > > I wonder whether actions under the
>> >> > > umbrella of the new
>> >> > > Sustainable > Communitites Act may be medium/ long term
>> helpful re
>> >> NHS (
>> >> > > and potentially > in other socially progressive ways too). >
>> >> > > > This Act is being described ( by some) as the biggest
>> >> constitutional
>> >> > > > change in UK for decades. > > I have been exploring it
>> >> > > because our local climate change organisations > in Devon are
>> very
>> >> > > hopeful that it may assist with democratic grass roots >
>> bottom up
>> >> change
>> >> > > towards dealing with/ mitigating the effects of climate > change
>> >> and
>> >> > > peak oil. I haven't fully got my head around it but I;ll do my
>> >> > > > best to explain as I understand it - and would be keen to have
>> >> comments
>> >> > > > from others - eg Mark -( I know you are active re climate
>> change/
>> >> > > > chaos) ? - who know more than me: > > The general idea is
>> >> > > that the Act enables local authorities ( they can to > chose
>> >> whether
>> >> > > to opt in) to receive, consider and put forward for national >
>> >> > > consideration, locally prioritised suggestions from local
>> >> individuals or
>> >> > > > organisations about changes in central government legislation
>> >> that would,
>> >> > > > if enacted, help build more sustainable communitities ie
>> enhance
>> >> , >
>> >> > > social, economic and environmental functioning . These local
>> >> suggestions >
>> >> > > will then go to a panel at central level, who will decide on
>> >> national
>> >> > > > priorities. Central government has a duty to reach
>> agreement on
>> >> how to
>> >> > > > take ( some of) these forward; with a published action plan on
>> >> which
>> >> > > > central government may be held to account by the
>> electorate. The
>> >> new bit
>> >> > > > here is the duty to reach agreement, so this is ( in theory
>> >> anyway) not
>> >> > > > just another empty consultative process. It's ( intended to
>> be)
>> >> about
>> >> > > > medium and long term change from the bottom up. > >
>> >> > > The trick will be to suggest, in solidarity with others,
>> >> suggestions that
>> >> > > > can make a positive difference through
>> >> > > legislative changes. there are > many many pitfalls ( eg will
>> local
>> >> > > grass roots suggestions simply tend to > promote the
>> interests of
>> >> the
>> >> > > haves versus the have-nots?) but this is an > important Act,
>> which
>> >> we
>> >> > > need to get our collective heads around.. This > will be an
>> annual
>> >> process;
>> >> > > the first wave is happening now. > > Find out more from
>> >> > > Local Works, the campaigning organisation who have been > behind
>> >> the Act,
>> >> > > on http://www.localworks.org/ > > Happy spring time, all ( at
>> >> > > least, to all in UK - happy times to others > elsewhere) . >
>> >> > > > Annie > > > > >
>> >> > > ________________________________________ >
>> From: The UK Community
>> >> > > Psychology Discussion List >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>
>> >> > > On Behalf Of Frederic Stansfield >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>> >> > > > Sent: 09
>> >> > > April 2009 17:07 > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> market-based NHS
>> >> - BY 30
>> >> > > > APRIL > > I am not sure how to go forward on this.
>> >> > > > > Let's start by thinking how the NHS was originally set up.
>> >> > > It wasn't > totally a top down nationalised industry run from
>> >> > > Whitehall. In fact, much > of it was under the control of local
>> >> > > government. Westminster ran centrally > some parts of the NHS
>> where
>> >> > > national strategic management was necessary > or, as in the
>> case of
>> >> > > teaching hospitals, thought to be necessary. County >
>> Councils ran
>> >> services
>> >> > > that needed to be provided over a fairly wide area > such as the
>> >> Ambulance
>> >> > > Service. But many local services, such as local > hospitals
>> and the
>> >> > > management of GPs, where run by District Councils, under > the
>> >> powerful
>> >> > > guidance of a doctor who held the position
>> >> > > of Medical Health > Officer. The situation was rather more
>> >> complicated
>> >> > > because of varying > council repsonsibilities, e.g. many larger
>> >> towns
>> >> > > and cities were unitary > County Boroughs. But you will get the
>> >> idea.
>> >> > > The NHS was not a separate > bureaucracy, but an integral
>> part of
>> >> > > British democracyin which > responsibility for each part of the
>> >> service
>> >> > > was devolved to the lowest > practical level (the European
>> >> principle of
>> >> > > "Subsiduarity"). And there were > professional advisers to
>> >> > > the decision-makers with sufficient power to stop > elected
>> members
>> >> > > doing silly things through ignorance. > > The trouble was
>> >> > > that professionals didn't like to be accountable >
>> (accountability
>> >> is
>> >> > > always uncomfortable!). The Tories used this to split > of
>> the NHS
>> >> into
>> >> > > indirectly appointed authorities in the 1974 >
>> re-organisation of
>> >> local
>> >> > > Government. Ever since, we have seen > accountability
>> destroyed bit
>> >> by bit,
>> >> > > for instance by replacement of local > suthority nomination of
>> >> > > Health Authority members by Westminster patronage, > and then
>> the
>> >> > > whole charade of private enterprise tendering. The result is
>> > the
>> >> > > badly managed, over-centralised, unfit for purpose, poor
>> value for
>> >> >
>> >> > > money, shambles that we have today. And the professional doctors
>> >> etc. who
>> >> > > > didn't like oversight by amateurs now find they have got much
>> >> much
>> >> > > worse. > > Come back to the current discussion. We are being
>> >> > > encouraged to > contribute to a consultation process on
>> improving
>> >> > > market processes within > the NHS. But the idea of an NHS,
>> >> inherently
>> >> > > a public service, being > submitted to market forces is
>> inherently
>> >> > > flawed. The whole mess is beyond > reform. It needs to be swept
>> >> > > away, as after World War 2 (although with > less compromise to
>> >> > > professional interests) and replaced by a structure > which, as
>> >> between
>> >> > > 1948 and 1974 but with
>> >> > > improvements, devolves > responsibilty for health services to
>> >> > > directly elected representatives at > the lowest possible level,
>> >> supported
>> >> > > by Medical Officers of Health > combining the role of
>> professional
>> >> > > adviser and chief adminstrator. > > In the case of Community
>> >> > > Psychology, it is difficult to see why services > should not be
>> >> > > provided and administered in electoral units smaller than > the
>> >> current
>> >> > > English District Authorities. Clinical Psychology may not be >
>> >> devolvable
>> >> > > to quite such an extent, but all the same it could be locally
>> > run
>> >> in the
>> >> > > vast majority of cases. > > If this seems silly, ask yourself
>> why
>> >> > > the United Kingdom's National Health > Service is, I believe,
>> the
>> >> > > third largest employer in the world (after > Indian Railways and
>> >> the
>> >> > > Chinese Army) when the United Kingdom is nothing > like the
>> third
>> >> largest
>> >> > > country. Surely the answer is that other countries > think it
>> is a
>> >> > > bad way to run a health service (most other Western > countries
>> >> > > use insurance based services with saftey nets). But will a >
>> >> > > Whitehall led consultation take such a glaringly obvious
>> point on
>> >> board?
>> >> > > > You know the answer, don't you. > > If we want UK
>> >> > > health services brought back under democratic control, >
>> wherever
>> >> > > possible under local government, the fundamental question is
>> what >
>> >> > > actions will be effective towards this end. Is responding to a >
>> >> > > consultation process that will only act on answers already
>> sharing
>> >> the >
>> >> > > bueaucrats' mistaken values such an action? > > Frederic
>> >> > > Stansfield > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, CRAIG NEWNES
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> >> > > wrote: >
>> From: CRAIG NEWNES
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> market-based NHS
>> >> - BY 30
>> >> > > > APRIL > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 1:23 AM > > What a lovely
>> >> > > idea "choice" is - for marketeers > Craig >
>> >> > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/09, Wendy Franks
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> From: Wendy Franks
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based
>> NHS -
>> >> BY 30
>> >> > > > APRIL > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > Date: Thursday, 9 April, 2009, 12:15 AM > > Hello all,
>> >> > > > > I'm not sure how exactly how to fit it into this argument,
>> >> > > but I'm going > to throw something in anyway, and hope
>> someone who
>> >> > > knows more about it > (...Mark? Carolyn? others?) can help me
>> out
>> >> with
>> >> > > the details. > > I'm learning a
>> >> > > bit about Boundary Critique at the moment, and am hoping to >
>> find
>> >> > > it useful in developing some coherence for myself around >
>> >> > > participatory research. I wonder if it is helpful in this
>> argument
>> >> too.
>> >> > > > As far as I can reasonably simplify it (always tricky to
>> simplify
>> >> > > > something complex that you're in the early stages of
>> grasping, so
>> >> > > sorry > about this), Boundary Critique enables us to take a
>> >> critical
>> >> > > position on > where/how/with whom we draw the boundaries
>> around an
>> >> object
>> >> > > of discussion, > interest, study, etc. In a way, it reminds me a
>> >> bit
>> >> > > of quantum uncertainty > in physics (of which I also have a
>> very,
>> >> very
>> >> > > tentative grasp!) - in that > - the way in which you choose to
>> >> measure a
>> >> > > phenomenon (as a wave or > particle for example) has an
>> impact on
>> >> the
>> >> > > measurement you get. In this > case, we can make choices about
>> >> whether we
>> >> > > look at the NHS as though it is > a market, and make certain
>> >> > > judgements and claims about it on that basis. > Another of many
>> >> > > options is that we can also look at it as if it is a > service
>> >> > > (shock, horror!) that is, as John Cromby expressed it,
>> something >
>> >> that is
>> >> > > there to care for, heal and if we could so imagine, even
>> nurture >
>> >> us.
>> >> > > > > Each way of addressing the issue at hand is likely to
>> produce
>> >> > > different > conclusions. Of the things that I find appealing
>> about
>> >> > > Boundary Critique > (as described by Midgley, 2000, in 'Systemic
>> >> > > Intervention'), is the > recognition of the role of ethics and
>> >> > > values in informing the judgements > we make. > > I think
>> >> > > my point might be something like this: > Of course we can
>> look at
>> >> > > everything we do as if it is in some way driven > by a market
>> and
>> >> all the
>> >> > > stuff that gets exchanged in that market as > commodoties.
>> >> > > > Or we can choose to conceptualise all of those things in
>> >> different terms,
>> >> > > > and make
>> >> > > different judgements about them informed by other frameworks. >
>> >> > > > I think I'll leave it there for now. I'm only half way through
>> >> > > Midgley's > book, it's getting late, and I might get a bit
>> unstuck!
>> >> > > > > Of course, it would be great for me if someone with a
>> >> > > better understanding > could suggest how Boundary Critique could
>> >> > > help with this argument. Always > good to have an idea of how
>> >> theory
>> >> > > works in practice. > > Thanks, > > Wendy
>> >> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John McGowan
>> >> > >
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> >> > > wrote: >
>> From: John McGowan
>> >> > >
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> market-based NHS
>> >> - BY
>> >> > > 30 > APRIL > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April,
>> >> > > 2009, 9:58 PM > > > I clearly did an absolutely
>> >> > > rubbish job of trying say what I was trying to > say > about
>> >> > > markets. The gist of it was that marketisation of the NHS
>> might not
>> >> > be a
>> >> > > > completely unalloyed evil and that "resisting it
>> >> > > absolutly" might be > going a bit far. I realise this view might
>> >> > > be a tough sell in this crowd > but > it's worth go. >
>> >> > > > Penny Priest came closest to what I was meaning I think
>> when she
>> >> said
>> >> > > > mentioned > market corrections. I've been wondering lately if
>> >> > > markets (as opposed to > The > Market) are quite as bad as I
>> >> thought
>> >> > > they were in say 1985. For starters > we're all part of them.
>> Every
>> >> > > time we by or choose somethine we're part > of a process of
>> >> > > compiling collective judgements on commodities or services >
>> or >
>> >> > > innovations. This goes from which which care we drive, coffe we
>> >> drink ISP >
>> >> > > hosting the community psych
>> >> > > website or whatever. Some things flourish and > other >
>> >> > > things don't make the cut and often the way that gets decided
>> is by
>> >> a
>> >> > > > bunch > of collective judgements saying one thing is more
>> >> > > suitable than another. > You may > not always think we get
>> >> > > it right (my wife would rather we used hot air > balloons >
>> >> > > instead of planes) but a lot of the time we do. All of these
>> >> activities >
>> >> > > are > basically are markets choosing one thing over another and
>> >> there is
>> >> > > quite a > bit > of literature on the conditions needed for
>> them to
>> >> > > function well or badly. > > One of the features of the NHS is
>> >> > > that it has adopted certain market > principles > but is less
>> >> > > engaged with others. If two groups are tendering for a
>> service > it
>> >> is
>> >> > > > possible to choose one group over another on the basis that
>> >> > > they're > cheaper > but the two basically selling the
>> >> > > same thing: whats recommended by
>> >> > > NICE. > We get > the cost control side but not the
>> >> > > innovation that would happen in a real > business. > >
>> >> > > The reason for using IAPT as an example (other than the special
>> >> feeling
>> >> > > > help > for it on this list) is that I think it is worth
>> >> > > appropriating commercial > language to point out that one way of
>> >> looking
>> >> > > at it is as a very poor > business > model. In some ways its
>> >> > > like if Lord Layard took over my local shop. > Implausibile
>> and not
>> >> > > entirley reassuring given his record bu who knows > where >
>> >> > > this recession might lead. You can imagine how his plan would
>> look.
>> >> >
>> >> > > > "We have good professional evidence that bread is a versatile
>> >> > > product and > will be very popular therfore that's what I will
>> >> > > sell. My advisors in the > baking industry assure me that the
>> >> trials
>> >> > > they've conducted will translate > into consumer demand".
>> >> > > > > At this point I'd be inclinded to
>> >> > > toddle along and ask a few obvious > questions: > Q: Don't you
>> >> > > think it might be worth selling other products? What about >
>> milk
>> >> or
>> >> > > cheese? > A: As and when the evidence becomes available we will
>> >> consider
>> >> > > stocking > other > things, but my baking advisers point out
>> >> > > dairy products have been sold for > years > without RCT
>> >> > > evidence of consumer appeal. > > Q:You don't think this bread
>> >> > > thing is a passing fancy then? Surely there > is > evidence for
>> >> > > other things > A: The bulk of the evidence is mainly there for
>> >> bread
>> >> > > so that's the way > we're going. > > Q: I at
>> >> > > least fancy a few lentils or maybe some baked beans. > A: I am
>> >> convinded
>> >> > > that "third-wave" breads such as wholemeal and > multigrain can
>> >> > > address consumer demand in these areas. > > > I could
>> >> > > (and I'm sure you could) go on and on but I think that joke
>> has >
>> >> > > gone too far already. In this
>> >> > > situation I could do one of two things. One > would > be
>> >> > > to go and get evidence for the saleability of beans, chocolate,
>> >> Cillit
>> >> > > > Bang, > Sepcial Brew or whatever else I fancied. this would
>> >> > > probably take a few > years. > The other (which ould take 5
>> >> > > minutes) would be to go to the shop down the > road >
>> >> > > along with most of the other people in my neighbourhood and
>> watch
>> >> Lord L's
>> >> > > > shop close after a few days. > > My point is really
>> >> > > that in the NHS its difficult to go to the IAPT service > down
>> >> > > > the road beacuse there isn't one. If there was (and I'd be
>> happy
>> >> > > to take > tenders for 173 million from users of this list) it
>> might
>> >> just
>> >> > > turn out to > be > better. > > Its always
>> >> > > been difficult to get this sort of market aggregation of >
>> >> judgements
>> >> > > > in the NHS. Darzi's proposals might actually lead to some kind
>> >> effect
>> >> > > of > collective judgement around some
>> >> > > aspects of GP services (i.e. the surgery > with > rude staff
>> >> > > and a crappy appointment system may have to shape up). Making >
>> >> such
>> >> > > > judgements around competing variations on something like IAPT
>> >> would need
>> >> > > a > lot > of thought. I'm not for a moment trying to contend
>> >> > > that this is an ideal > solution but in the face of the NICE
>> >> guidelines
>> >> > > I'm wondering if we need > more not less of this. >
>> >> > > > Happy Easter > > John > >
>> >> > > > ________________________________________________ Dr John
>> McGowan,
>> >> >
>> >> > > Year/Academic > Director, Centre for Applied Social and
>> >> Psychological
>> >> > > Development, > Canterbury > Christchurch University, Salomons
>> >> > > Broomhill Road Southborough Tunbridge > Wells > Kent TN3 0TG
>> >> > > +44 (0)1892 507778
>> >> > >
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > www.salomonscaspd.org.uk <http://www.salomonscaspd.org.uk/>
>> >> > > www.canterbury.ac.uk <http://www.canterbury.ac.uk/> >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > ________________________________ > >
>> From: The UK
>> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of CRAIG > NEWNES
>> >> > > > Sent: Wed 08/04/2009 4:53 PM > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a
>> market-based NHS
>> >> - BY
>> >> > > 30 > APRIL > > > Anyone with responsibility
>> >> > > for budgets in the NHS will recognize this red > herring
>> before you
>> >> can
>> >> > > say, " THE NHS exists to subsidize Big Pharma and > its PSY
>> >> > > acolytes." For almost 20 years I defended a psy-budget
>> against the
>> >> >
>> >> > > so-called overspend on GP drug budgets. In 2006 the drug
>> budget in
>> >> >
>> >> > > Shropshire > was ?5M in the red so the budget managers were told
>> >> to, yet
>> >> > > again, cut > posts to > pay the bill. The NHS is already a
>> >> > > marketplace. Thank goodness that the > IAPT > scheme will
>> >> > > enable all these unemployed NHS staff to go to CBT therapists
>> >> > > > and - > er - get jobs as cleaners or whatever. >
>> >> > > Craig > > --- On Wed, 8/4/09, John Cromby
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >
>> >> > > > >
>> From: John Cromby
>> >> > > <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based
>> NHS -
>> >> >
>> >> > > BY 30 APRIL > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 4:40 PM > > > Our
>> >> > > health needs and social care needs have been thoroughly >
>> distorted
>> >> by
>> >> > > > top-down policy imperatives and so-called 'evidence based
>> >> > > > practice', > and > consistently subordinated to budgetary
>> >> > > constraints that prioritise > the > fighting > of
>> >> > > neo-colonial wars. Meanwhile, on the home front the 'war on >
>> >> > > terror' > legitimates extensive and growing government spending
>> >> > > on > technologies to > monitor > and control us rather
>> >> > > than care for, heal or - dare I even say it > - nurture > us.
>> >> > > > Legitimate challenges to this insane situation, this
>> situation >
>> >> > > structured by > an > insane rationality, are increasingly
>> >> > > portrayed as 'extremist'. > And, > consonant with its
>> >> > > own rational insanity, the reproduction of this > exploitative
>> >> > > > social order is to be achieved by any means that those in
>> power >
>> >> > > imagine that > they can get away with. As of today, it seems
>> that
>> >> this can
>> >> > > even > include > telling > lies about and excusing the
>> >> > > death of a bystander caught up in last > week's > anti-G20
>> >> > > demonstrations in London: Ian Tomlinson, who was beaten > and
>> >> pushed to
>> >> > > > the floor by the police, without provocation, just minutes
>> before
>> >> > > > he died of a > heart attack. > > In this
>> >> > > rationally insane situation, insane
>> >> > > solutions to > manufactured problems > can gain a
>> >> > > superficial appeal. Marketisation of the NHS or social > care is
>> >> just
>> >> > > > such an insane solution. We should resist it absolutely. >
>> >> > > > J. > > > > > John McGowan
>> >> > > wrote: > > This is extremely interesting. Thank you so much for
>> >> > > sending it > to the > list. > > I've been
>> >> > > thinking recently however that perhaps an increase in > certain
>> >> kinds
>> >> > > marketisation might actually be a helpful in the > NHS. In some
>> >> > > > way > markets (i.e. aggregating the people's decisions about
>> >> > > alternative > business > models) could potentially provide an
>> >> > > alternative to the rigidity > of the NICE > guidelines. The Dazi
>> >> > > review tries to create a market of sorts > through, > nominally
>> >> > > > at least, prioritising choice. > > IAPT is potentially
>> >> > > quite a good example of where markets > might >
>> >> > > actually > help. I can't help feeling that if there was 173
>> >> > > million quid > available > and > the question of improving
>> >> > > return to (and retention within) work > was put out to > tender
>> >> > > some very innovative proposals (including some from members > of
>> >> this
>> >> > > > list) > might have come back. Perhaps they might even have
>> >> > > produced better > results > than > the plan
>> >> > > we've got! > > John McGowan > > > >
>> >> > > ________________________________ > > > >
>> From: The UK
>> >> > > Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of > Wendy >
>> >> > > Franks > > Sent: Tue 07/04/2009 9:23 PM > > To:
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > > > > Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] FW: Say no to a market-based
>> NHS -
>> >> > > > BY 30 > APRIL > > > > > >
>> >> > > Hello all, > > In case you are not already receiving these
>> >> > > emails, here's an > opportunity to voice your objections. All
>> the
>> >> > > best, Wendy > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> From NHS Support Federation, a founder organisation of > Keep
>> >> > > Our NHS > Public > > NHS services are now to be provided
>> >> > > by a wide range of > organisations all > competing within a
>> market.
>> >> > > The new Co-operation and Competition > Panel >
>> >> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/> for NHS-funded services is to
>> help >
>> >> > > deliver > the supposed benefits of competition. It will
>> investigate
>> >> > > > potential breaches > of > the Principles and Rules >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/Principle-and-rules-for-Cooperation-and-Competition.pdf>
>>
>> >> > > > as defined by the Department of Health. It will also advise
>> the
>> >> > > > Department of > Health and the foundation trust regulator
>> >> > > Monitor. The > Co-operation and > Competition Panel is a
>> misnomer
>> >> > > as its
>> >> > > remit is weighted so > heavily in favour > of >
>> >> > > promoting competition, whilst neglecting the considerable
>> benefits
>> >> >
>> >> > > of > cooperation. > > > > We need your help to
>> >> > > respond forcefully to the Panel's > current > consultation and
>> >> > > to lobby MPs. Please write a letter objecting to > the >
>> imposition
>> >> > > > of competition and commercial values on the NHS and raising
>> the >
>> >> > > crucial > questions listed below. Send your letter to the
>> >> Co-operation
>> >> > > and > Competition > Panel at the address below and a copy to
>> your
>> >> MP.
>> >> > > > > > > Send to: Interim Guidelines Consultation, >
>> >> > > Cooperation and Competition > Panel, 1 Horse Guards Road,
>> London,
>> >> > > SW1A 2HQ or email >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>.
>>
>> >> > > Respond by 30 April. > > > > Points to make: > >
>> >> > > > > 1. Will the panel ensure that the
>> >> > > alternative of a > publicly led service > is included in
>> >> > > consultations about future tenders? 2. Is > the duplication of >
>> >> > > services to produce choice a good use of resources which >
>> >> constitutes
>> >> > > economic > efficiency, especially given that the benefits of
>> >> > > competition in > healthcare > are > unproven (indeed Minster of
>> >> > > State Ben Bradshaw said that the "mix > of > competition and
>> >> > > co-operation in the NHS is a unique model in the > world")? >
>> >> > > 3. Will the tendering process be fair and > transparent, with no
>> >> > > discrimination > against NHS organisations in favour of either
>> >> > > commercial or > voluntary bodies > or > social
>> >> > > enterprises? 4. Will the public be consulted on an > ongoing
>> basis
>> >> > > about > local tenders e.g. via local involvement networks
>> (LINks)?
>> >> > > 5. > Will the panel > foster co-operation not only between
>> >> > > commissioners and providers, > but between
>> >> > > > providers, a hope expressed by Richard Taylor MP in a
>> debate in
>> >> > > > Parliament on > 24 > February? > > > >
>> >> > > > > It is vital to protect and promote a publicly led NHS >
>> >> > > which has an ethos > which is truly patient-centred. We must
>> insist
>> >> to the
>> >> > > Panel that > our > objections > to the notion of a health
>> >> > > service based on a competitive market > are widely > shared.
>> With
>> >> > > your help we must ensure that our views are not > ignored. >
>> >> > > > > > You can see the consultation paper >
>> >> > > <http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/content/consultation-paper.pdf> ,
>> the >
>> >> > > four > guidance documents which are the subject of the
>> >> consultation,
>> >> > > and > the response > template at >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> http://www.ccpanel.org.uk/reports-and-guidance/guidance-documents.html.
>> >> > > > > > > > > Please send us copies of your letters or
>> >> > > emails. Thanks > for your help.
>> >> > > > > NHS Support Federation > > > > >
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>> >> > > Jeffrey >
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>> >> > > >
>> >> > > ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>) >
>> >> > > > -- ******************************************************** >
>> >> John
>> >> > > Cromby > Department of Human Sciences > Loughborough University
>> >> > > > Loughborough, Leics > LE11 3TU England > Tel: 01509
>> >> > > 223000 > Email:
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