I hope any personal comments could be taken off-list, but I'd rather see the general discussion in this shared space - we lose a lot when discussions go off onto blogs.
cheers, Mia
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike
> Ellis
> Sent: 04 March 2009 12:29
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
>
> Ouch. Maybe the post is a better place for this particular conversation?
>
> http://bit.ly/LA8d
>
>
>
> Mike Ellis
> Professional Services Group
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Giv
> Parvaneh
> Sent: 04 March 2009 12:14
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
>
> Mike Mike Mike... it's very disheartening and offensive to hear someone
> be so needlessly nasty and critical of a project that we've worked so
> very hard on.
>
> There is of course a better way of expressing your feelings about this.
> A more mature and human way. See project http://www.pastthinking.com/
>
> Reading your rant makes it very obvious you know very little about this
> project and it's obvious your entire argument revolves around
> advertising the not-so-impressive hoard.it app.
>
> As I've mentioned before any mediocre developer can build a scraper and
> API but what you're failing to realise is that there's so much more that
> goes into building a museum product. For one thing hoard.it does not
> address copyright issues and in reality that app wouldn't stand a chance
> of ever becoming a real life application in the museum world. It's all
> very easy to hack a few lines of code together and say "see? that wasn't
> so hard".
>
> I suggest you speak to the NMOLP team first, learn about the project
> and find out how the money was spent before comparing it to Europeana
> and claiming £2mil of taxpayers money was wasted on it. You want an API?
> No problem, try and get copyright clearance from every single artists
> and owner of the collections first, then we can build it.
>
> Posting one-liners like "why?" on the MCG mailing list doesn't exactly
> help us put your tax money to use, does it? The site is still in Beta
> mode and there's plenty of room for improvement and we're more than
> happy to hear your feedback so play nice and help us make this a good
> product.
>
> Giv
>
>
>
>
>
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> >>> On 04/03/2009 at 11:38, in message
> <[log in to unmask]>,
> Mike Ellis <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm with Frankie. Why?
>
> http://electronicmuseum.org.uk/2009/03/04/creative-spaces-justwhy/
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Ellis
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Tehmina Goskar
> Sent: 04 March 2009 11:32
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
>
> I haven't had a chance to look at the site yet, but Tom has just
> blogged about it:
>
> http://www.pastthinking.com/
>
> Best wishes,
> Tehmina
>
>
>
>
> 2009/3/4 Looseley, Rhiannon <[log in to unmask]>:
> > Further to Mike's email with the NPG webquests address, according to
> the book mark that I got at the launch, the other webquests should be
> here:
> >
> > BM - http://nmolp.britishmuseum.org/webquests
> > NPG - http://www.npg.org.uk/webquests
> > Tate - http://nmolp.tate.org.uk/webquests
> > IWM - http://nmolp.iwm.org.uk/webquests
> > Royal Armouries - http://nmolp.royalarmouries/org/webquests (doesn't
> seem to be up yet)
> > V&A http://nmolp.vam.ac.uk/webquests
> > NHM - http://www.nhm.ac.uk/education/online-resources/webquests
> > Sir John Soane's Museum - http://nmolp.soane.org.uk/webquests
> > Wallace Collection - http://www.wallacecollection.org/nmolp/webquests
>
> >
> > I haven't had a chance to look at any of them yet though...
> >
> > Rhiannon
> >
> >
> >
> > Rhiannon Looseley
> > e-Learning Officer (Web), Learning
> > Museum of London
> > 150 London Wall
> > London. EC2Y 5HN
> > Tel: 020 7814 5772
> > Fax: 020 7600 1058
> > Email: [log in to unmask]
> > www.museumoflondon.org.uk
> >
> > Museum of London is changing. Visit www.museumoflondon.org.uk to find
> out more.
> > Explore how the Great Fire shaped the city
> www.museumoflondon.org.uk/londonsburning
> > Before printing, please think about the environment
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Mike Ellis
> > Sent: 04 March 2009 11:00
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
> >
> > JO - Webquests here: http://www.npg.org.uk/webquests/
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > (incoming post / email about creative spaces any second now...)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Ellis
> > Professional Services Group
> >
> > Eduserv
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Ottevanger, Jeremy
> > Sent: 04 March 2009 10:38
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: 'Creative Spaces'
> >
> > Well, I don't have the answers to these but at least we now have the
> > questions! Thanks Tony. And it's true that if you're missing the
> point
> > then there's a problem for at least one user, and probably more.
> > Personally I think I can see the point for myself as a user (not
> that
> > I've registered yet, before anyone checks), and I would generalise
> that
> > to an assumption that other users will too. I suppose lots of us
> have
> > had the advantage of hearing the idea explained in depth already, but
> I
> > think the home page is a perfectly clear call to action. So I guess
> > we'll just have to see if it takes off, or which bits of it do.
> >
> > My own question relates to the WebQuests, since we've all heard
> about
> > them but I can't for the life of me find any. I know they're meant to
> be
> > elsewhere, not on Creative Spaces, but looking on the V&A, BM and
> NHM
> > sites I couln't find one. Help?
> >
> > Oh, and one other question. The subdomain prefixes (vna.nmolp.org,
> > bm.nmolp.org etc) deserve a "why?" of their own.
> >
> > Cheers, Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeremy Ottevanger
> > Web Developer, Museum Systems Team
> > Museum of London
> > 46 Eagle Wharf Road
> > London. N1 7ED
> > Tel: 020 7410 2207
> > Fax: 020 7600 1058
> > Email: [log in to unmask]
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> > Museum of London is changing. Visit www.museumoflondon.org.uk to find
> out more.
> > Explore how the Great Fire shaped the city
> www.museumoflondon.org.uk/londonsburning
> > Before printing, please think about the environment
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of
> > Tony Crockford
> > Sent: 04 March 2009 10:22
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [MCG] 'Creative Spaces'
> >
> > On 4 Mar 2009, at 10:07, Ottevanger, Jeremy wrote:
> >
> >> Very constructive, Frankie. Care to elaborate on the question?
> >
> > I'd be inclined to agree with the 'Why?' part.
> >
> > The front page is very web 2.0, but it doesn't explain anything to
> me.
> >
> > I'm not understanding the reason why I might engage with the site.
> >
> > technically it's obviously very clever, but I don't get it.
> >
> > What's in it for me?
> >
> > Who will use it? why will they use it?
> >
> > I'm reminded of the adage, "just because we can, doesn't mean we
> > should".
> >
> > I'm sort of vaguely understanding the purpose, but it doesn't excite
> me.
> > I think I'd rather see collections assembled by experts than random
> > collections thrown together by people playing with technology...
> >
> > Am I missing the point?
> >
> > (Obviously)
> >
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