Can I ask which ever comrade is responsible for compiling the C&C list to please remove my name from it. As a previous EB member including on occasion chair, for more than 15 years, I am keen to continue helping the journal in what ever way possible including refereeing articles but I'm finding this whole email exchange an increasing waste of time. I must admit that initially when debates kick off, especially on issues around value which I'm weak on, they can be pretty good and useful but often they end up as vehicles for the expression of idiosyncrasies and this current exchange on "bullshit" is a fine example of the genre. The one that rambled on during the very cold weather was another example. They often seem to end with someone or other telling another individual that they don't get it - a version of "you're stupid and I'm not". I know I can delete them which increasingly I do but I'm sure that's not how its supposed to work
Paul
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From: To complement the journal 'Capital and Class' (ISSN 0 309 8786) [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corinne Nativel [[log in to unmask]]
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Subject: Re: Fw: Surplus Capital and the Crisis- BULSHIT
I agree! People not worried about making such fools out of themselves are such rarities these days... so please Mr. Berendsen, can you lecture us a bit more about the lack of money supply please? (Or shall I call it "quantitative easing" to make sure I remain in sync' with 21st century central banks' jargon...)
Corinne Nativel
Lecturer, University of Besançon, France.
Paul Reynolds a écrit :
Hello
Can I make an urgent plea for this person not to be barred from this list. For those of us labouring in pressurised jobs, with heavy workloads and a sea of mails bringing demands and bad tidings, this sort of mail is the only humour we receive through e-mail. Besides, such modesty and willingness to discourse is rare to find. If the counter-revolutionaries put us against the wall with the firing squad primed, we will need at least an arbitrary and contingent defence that we acted in some ways to mystify and confuse the left - lets not miss the opportunity!
Paul
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Wilfred Berendsen <[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]> 19/03/2009 21:07 >>>
No...bullshit is from bulls. The bulshit i am talking about is just
bulshit. Because it is bulshit only for people who understand. And
unfortunately the message below proofs you do not.
Fact is that each situations is DIFFERENT. But altogether the only RIGHT
conclusion to arrive at with regards to current crisis but also with
regards to economies is that there is TOO LESS MONEY. And actually this
should be not too hard to understand. If people would start using common
sense instead of idiocratic theories.
Money is just fuel for economies. And more fuel is needed if there are
more people and if these people want more money each to buy the ever
growing products. But governments and economists somehow think it is
better to keep the amount of money about the same while everything else is
improving at ever faster and better ways. Thereby severely restricting the
growth of our society and people within.
Anyways I am RIGHT and my understandings are MUCH MORE developed and based
on MUCH BETTER understandings than anything else available at the moment.
And whatever anyone else says, fact is that in the end it will be
understood that I am right with what i am saying.
Really everyone who does NOT understand that there is too less money and
that this is key to having our society grow is just still into inbox
thinking. Insane inbox thinking.......unfortunately our society is full of
it....
Wilfred Berendsen
Well, if we're going to use scatological references, the least we can do
is spell them correctly-- that's b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t.
And speaking of bullshit-- this notion that too little money has caused a
crisis is the apotheosis of bullshit when explaining the contractions, or
expansion, of capital.
Perhaps Wilfred could indulge us by tracing the contraction of 2001-2003--
better yet, start out with the expansion in the US of 1993-2000 then go to
2001-2003, then go to the recovery of 2004-2007, and explain all of that
using his "this money's too little, this money's too much, this money's
just right" Goldilocks theory of capitalist reproduction.. And please
don't forget to account for the function and movement of the price of oil
along the way.
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