Sorry, this was not my intention. We all have experiences, they are all
valid, and we can study and describe for ever in-depth our own and
others experiences. But sometimes one dares to ask: for what sake?
I was happy to see ONTOLOGICAL / EPISTEMOLOGICAL DEBATE on the BNIM
list. This is a more or less debate between constructivists and realists
, which is going on in many well-ranked journals.
And this is also a debate about the role of social theory in
biographical method. I am sorry to hear that you have no time for such
debates...Well, it seems I have lost my time, too.
Anyway, all the best wishes,
Adam
Kip Jones pisze:
> As I said in my earlier reply, each story is different, of course, so
> you need not 'disagree'.
>
> I honestly have little time for these sorts of exercises in 'debate'.
>
> We each have our experiences of interviews and they are all valid.
>
> Please stop trying to set yourself up as some sort of 'expert'.
>
> Kip
>
> Dr Kip Jones
> Reader in Qualitative Research
> Centre for Qualitative Research
> Leader, Performative Social Science Group
>
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> Bournemouth University
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> --- On *Mon, 9/3/09, Adam Mrozowicki
> /<[log in to unmask]>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Adam Mrozowicki <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BNIM INTERPRETATION: the story today and the story next
> week (Kip Jones)
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 12:00 PM
>
> Dear All,
>
> it is an interesting discussion. In fact, I do share Tom's
> disagreement about Kip's sentence "“I always say that the story that
> they tell us today will be different next week”.
>
> An example from Rosenthal is a good one. I have also double
> biographical interview with a trade union activist, a women in her
> 50es, within the time span of 5 years. The configuration of process
> structures (Schuetze) in both cases was almost the same even though
> in her life a lot of things changed. So, there are empirical
> counter-evidences for the far-reaching performative understanding of
> biographies.
>
> Of course, context matters. No qualitative researcher who had any
> experience in the field would doubt about it.
>
> But as a biographical researcher coming from a critical realist
> background, I am not interested (mostly) in context but in what
> people do with their action contexts given their earlier
> biographical experiences. I am interested how they reflexivity
> works. And I assume that reflexivity itself, as a way of talking
> with oneself and about oneself, is shaped by earlier biographical
> experiences. Just like people as reflexive beings rarely recreate
> themselves anew every morning, they are unlike to construct their
> DIY-like biographies n every new interview situation. They ground
> their actions and the ways of presenting their actions in their
> continuous sense of their self that emerged through they earlier
> practices and interactions with other people and material and
> natural environment.
>
> All the best wishes,
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> tom wengraf pisze:
> > Dear Kip
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your comments.
> >
> >
> > I think there is a problem about “I always say that the story
> that they tell us today will be different next week”.
> >
> >
> > At one level, I completely agree. Nobody repeats even an initial
> narrative of 30-60-90 minutes identically – unless they are actors
> trained in Shakesperian monologue, and even then there are
> variations of emphasis. In actual interviews, there is far more
> variation.
> >
> >
> > At another level, from my point of view I feel your point can be
> misleading.
> >
> >
> > If we are interested in a ‘deeper structure’ of the story-telling
> person than just the surface of the story(ies) they tell, then I
> don’t think that deeper structure is likely to vary so widely from
> week to week. Rosenthal cites a case of somebody who she interviewed
> and who Daniel Bar-On happened to interview 10 years later, and
> their separate accounts of ‘deeper structure’ coincided. If during
> the week, some traumatic event had happened to the person (e.g.
> announcement of unsuspected terminal cancer), then their second week
> story might well have a different deeper structure from the one
> before this discovery.
> >
> >
> > At the level of ‘surface stories told’ there may be a definite
> difference between this week and next week, between story told to an
> older man or a younger woman, in a neutral place or somewhere
> else….. I think that’s probably true, though I doubt where there
> nhas been systematic testing of this hypothesis [and one problem is
> that the subject may not feel happy about being re-interviewed for a
> 2^nd time in the same way by the same person, as if he/she had not
> been interviewed before!).
> >
> >
> > If one is concerned with the ‘deeper structures’ of the situated
> subjectivity – which can be one warrant for spending so much
> scientific time/money on a few cases --- then variation (which I
> would imagine to be far from random) – then variation of the
> ‘surface stories’ (through which one’s interpretation accesses such
> deeper structures – in the Short Guide and Detailed Manual I use the
> analogy of a rabbit warren with a central chamber) from week to week
> (etc.) is quite compatible with deeper structures remaining much
> more constant.
> >
> >
> > On the other hand, if one rejects any notion of ‘constancy’ of
> situated subjectivity (the full post-modernist position), then any
> modernist hallucinating ‘more constant deeper structures’ is just
> suffering from pathological rigidity of what should be experienced
> as totally fluid moment-to-moment subjectivities, situations, and
> thus situated subjectivities!
> >
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > P.S. Click on <www.kiafrica.org>. for our 'voluntourism + study
> trip project' in rural Uganda. ... We've just revised the Kanaama
> Interactive web-site, the pictures, and the things you can choose to
> do..... Read the very positive reports from our first year of
> visitors!....Did you know that maths teaching in Ugandan schools is
> more advanced than in English ones? .....
> >
> >
> > P.P.S. For a free electronic copy of the most recent version of
> the //BNIM (the biographic-narrative interpretive method of
> research interviewing for lived experience) Short Guide and Detailed
> Manual //**, **just click on <[log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>> . Please indicate your
> institutional affiliation and the purpose for which you might
> envisage using BNIM’s open-narrative interviews, and I'll send it
> straight away.
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Kip Jones [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>]
> > *Sent:* 09 March 2009 10:47
> > *To:* [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>; tom wengraf
> > *Subject:* Re: BNIM INTERPRETATION: detecting (metaphorical)
> shape of an interview
> >
> >
> > Dear Tom
> > One of the most important innovations of the Method is in ceding
> control of the interview to the interviewee. Still, (or because of
> this), other factors come into play.
> >
> > We are finding recently that the interview environment is
> important. An interview in someone's home, for example, can be a
> very different one from one conducted in a 'neutral' space.
> >
> > There are other factors that influence an interviewee's telling
> their life story on a particular day in a particular place. I
> always say that the story that they tell us today will be different
> next week.
> >
> > Whilst ceding control, as facilitators, our other functions take
> on much greater importance to the outcome and shape of the interview.
> > Cheers,
> > kip
> >
> > Dr Kip Jones
> > Reader in Qualitative Research
> > Centre for Qualitative Research
> > Leader, Performative Social Science Group
> >
> > School of Health & Social Care and The Media School
> > Bournemouth University
> > Bournemouth, UK
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> > Changing the way we view social science one download at a time.
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 9/3/09, tom wengraf /<[log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tom wengraf <[log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>>
> > Subject: BNIM INTERPRETATION: detecting (metaphorical) shape of
> an interview
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: Monday, 9 March, 2009, 10:22 AM
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> >
> > The notion of the ‘shape’ of a BNIM interview is a tricky one,
> relating as it does to the ‘interpretation’ process. Since a new
> 5-day intensive is starting on Thursday, I’ve been thinking about
> how the notion of ‘interview shape’ might be given some more
> meaning. Probably everybody gives it a different sort of meaning……
> >
> >
> > Anyway, in recent versions of the /BNIM Short Guide and Detailed
> Manual/, I’ve put in extracts from the /SOSTRIS Green Reports/ to
> show what reports of a BDA and of a TFA might look like. This
> morning, I’ve just finished a draft of a short discussion (with
> examples) of ‘ TFA shape’ for the future April version.
> >
> >
> > All comments, refutations, enrichments, subtractions very
> welcome…. As always!
> >
> >
> > Best wishes to all: ….. let people know about any BNIM-thing
> you’re doing or have available for others to read and learn from….
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > P.S. Click on <_www.kiafrica.org>._ for our 'voluntourism +
> study trip project' in rural Uganda . ... We've just revised the
> Kanaama Interactive web-site, the pictures, and the things you can
> choose to do..... Read the very positive reports from our first year
> of visitors!....Did you know that maths teaching in Ugandan schools
> is more advanced than in English ones? .....
> >
> >
> > P.P.S. For a free electronic copy of the most recent version of
> the //BNIM (the biographic-narrative interpretive method of
> research interviewing for lived experience) Short Guide and Detailed
> Manual //**, **just click on _<[log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>>_ . Please indicate your
> institutional affiliation and the purpose for which you might
> envisage using BNIM’s open-narrative interviews, and I'll send it
> straight away.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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