From Ted Marmor
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From: Marmor, Ted [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thu 3/26/2009 11:27 AM
To: Oliver,AJ
Subject: Re: AAHPN
Both positions cannot be true. Sadly, the private insurance industry is doing precisely the shotgun role- using every argument they can shoot. Interesting question is why they do not fear being ridiculed for this by the press rather than reported. And where there a clear manifesto to act they would have to accept universal pub lic insurance and then have incentives to bargain. As long as whether and how to act remain open, they behave self-interestedly only.
Ted
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From: Anglo-American Health Policy Network <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed Mar 25 18:17:18 2009
Subject: Re: AAHPN
Something tells me that the private insurance companies are more concerned with protecting their own markets, than with their enrollees paying 'twice'. If they were deeply concerned with their enrollees, I would have thought they would support the movement of everyone into a national health plan, which would remove the problem of double paying (if it exists), and would create the circumstances in which the (too) high prices charged by US providers could effectively be bargained against, which is something that will have to happen in the US sooner or later in one form or another, if costs are to be contained.
We're academics, so let's not beat about the bush - the private insurance industry are partaking in the entirely rational act of promulgating every argument possible (spurious or otherwise) to protect their own interests.
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From: Neal Adams [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wed 3/25/2009 8:14 PM
To: Oliver,AJ
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Subject: Re: AAHPN
I am NOT an economist, so my answering may be a bit of "fools rush in
where angels fear to tread",
but here's what I see as the difference....
the public payers, MediCare and MediCaid, set the rates that they will
pay...and typically those rates are below the actual cost of providing
the service
...and then the hospitals in particular eat the cost of providing
uncompensated care to the uninsured....wo when the private pay/
commercial insurance companies come along, the rates that the
providers offer up for negotiation are set high--high enough to cover
the losses that they are incurring serving the rest of teh population
..and so it IS cost-shifting and in many respects the employers/
employees who are insured are paying a double "tax"--their taxes to
support public service and then increased costs in the service they
pay for
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