Joodles
aren't 'rules' somewhere along the line a matter of negotiation? Whom
or what with, I don't know, perhaps I Don't Know, (Twin of It) is the
Answer to My Question?
Best
Dave
2009/2/3 Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
> "[W]hen is a prose not a poem" indeed! You forget, dear Dave, that YOU make
> your own poetry rules. Blast and bugger anyone else's!
> I decided months ago that you and Yeats are Proper Mates. But your voice
> dips and intrigues even more.
>
> 'Excavation' fits well; do dig now.
>
> Best,
>
> Judy
>
> 2009/2/3 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>
>> Ah poetry! earlier this evening, in the light-poisoned dump of the
>> valley where I live (as opposed to the clear skies up the hill where L
>> abides) I saw, not just the Moon, in quarter, you usually get that,
>> nor too Venus, as the Evening Star, that hell of sulphuric acid that
>> still burns through, but also a feebly winking Sirius too.
>>
>> That was an event, in this particular ontological dump. I've also been
>> very mindful lately that where I live is notable for being a 2 to 3
>> thousand year old graveyard ( a necropolis of Grannies)
>>
>> Up the hill, the night sky unveils itself all through winter. Here we
>> get coughs.
>>
>> (I've missed all the New Poetry debate because of junk mail on e-mail
>> addresses of mine)
>>
>> The 'family' poem, or prose, is definitely the direction I need to
>> excavate, the question is when is a prose not a poem?
>>
>> (I think Vallejo used a verb in Spanish that could be translated as
>> 'when I prose (make) this poem'
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> 2009/2/3 Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
>> > Ah, well, one must have some Tuesday laffs. And, apparently, we must
>> have
>> > beauty, namely, your "iridescent colours of pollutants on the canal-skim
>> > surfaces", poetic; I immediately 'saw' myself staring at oil coatings in
>> > puddles, all the child-time magic when we didnae know about 'pollutants'.
>> >
>> > I often remember your beginning of a book [or, rather, my desire for a
>> > book-length poem] about you and your parents. My lifelong dislike of
>> > reading novels skipped a bit when friends insisted I read McCourt's
>> > _Angela's Ashes_. It came today, and I hoped that you'd gotten on with
>> your
>> > 'family' poem. Indeed, today, then, you mentioned your parents.
>> >
>> > [Total Aside: Because of a remarkable ongoing debate about the
>> > interpretation of 'Loveliest of Trees' [AEHousman] on New Poetry, a
>> rodent
>> > came across the fact of his B'Ham upbringing. I kept figuring that a
>> clue
>> > to his background might settle our interp debate.]
>> >
>> > Just a few lines more, dear Dave, on the 'family' poem, eh?
>> >
>> > BTW, maybe we ontologically dump on God bcuz the name itself is a tough
>> > unmeaning lump. "Good", at least, would soften and morph it up a bit.
>> Is
>> > this where Anglo-Saxon fails us? I'd hope not.
>> >
>> > Judy
>> >
>> > 2009/2/3 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> >
>> >> Joodles
>> >>
>> >> I have also been reminded recently of the notion of 'It' being the
>> >> target of 'ontological dumping' in that we turn 'It' into Something
>> >> Other Than It, God is a Good Example of That.
>> >>
>> >> Best
>> >>
>> >> (Smiles, glad I give you a laff. I've discovered that many people have
>> >> been brought up in Birmingham, the poor sods, I must admit though that
>> >> the iridescent colours of pollutants on the canal-skim surfaces did
>> >> represent a kind of optical gorgeousness to me as a kid)
>> >>
>> >> Best
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> 2009/2/3 Judy Prince <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >> > There must be a message in this, Dave. What does 'It' represent:
>> >> watching
>> >> > the film, being with your first prolonged love, or HOLDING HANDS? Are
>> >> you
>> >> > sure that you didnae climb into your bed at age 3 as a self-initiating
>> >> > Contraceptive Device, you precocious divvil.
>> >> > BTW, we have discovered that AE Housman was brought up in Birmingham.
>> >> !!!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Best, and thanks for the laffs,
>> >> >
>> >> > Judy
>> >> >
>> >> > 2009/2/3 David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >
>> >> >> I remember one evening when I was eighteen, several centuries ago,
>> >> >> sitting with my first +serious+ girlfriend and my then i.e. deceased
>> >> >> mom and dad on the same settee watching that film and said distant
>> >> >> parents, who barely spoke, and hadn't slept in the same bed alone
>> >> >> together since before my conscious memories (I do recall them being
>> in
>> >> >> the same bed when I was about three but they put me in the middle as
>> a
>> >> >> contraceptive device) watching that film, with me and my first
>> >> >> prolonged love, and HOLDING HANDS.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It was a shock to me, and probably to my dad, as he dropped dead a
>> few
>> >> >> weeks after.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2009/2/3 Jeffrey Side <[log in to unmask]>:
>> >> >> > New blog post:
>> >> >> > "Looking at the barrage of overrated and over-produced contemporary
>> >> films
>> >> >> it is easy to forget that film once aspired to be an art form. One
>> such
>> >> film
>> >> >> is William Wyler's 1939 underrated version of Emily Bronte's novel
>> >> Wuthering
>> >> >> Heights which ..."
>> >> >> > http://jeffreyside.tripod.com/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> David Bircumshaw
>> >> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> >> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> >> >> The Animal Subsides
>> http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> >> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> David Bircumshaw
>> >> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> >> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> >> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Bircumshaw
>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
>>
>
--
David Bircumshaw
Website and A Chide's Alphabet http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.co.uk
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