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Re: sick certificates

From:

Wendy Stimson <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:15:38 +0000

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Hi All
Does this not all support the need for OH to work WITH GP's? I believe we should get them onside and work to achieve what is in the individuals best interest  - which potentially could mean protecting their employment (subject to likelihood of DDA and SA policy etc etc) as well as their wellbeing - 'work is good for you' etc. I have always found this approach helpful.
Wendy

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From: "Carr Barnes" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] sick certificates
Date: 22nd January 2009
Time: 5:42:38 pm

I totally agree Glenn but is there an argument that it is more appropriate
for the manager/employer to write to the GP saying they have a specialist
report saying XYZ and could the GP please justify why they feel the employee
is totally incapable of any work in any format? Should it be OH or HR having
that conversation? Must admit I lean towards HR. In one industry the
employees tend to raise a bullying and harrassment claim against any manager
who attemps to manage them and then promptly go sick to try and
delay/circumvent the investigations etc and all the time the GP is signing
them off with "stress" while Mr Bloggs happily informs me he's not on any
treatment, is fine and actually catching up with the DIY, and just gets a
bit wound up when he thinks about the manager having the cheek to ask him to
do some work! And then get very wound up when I say they are fit for all
work and the barrier to return is work issues not health. When the employee
asks me then why the GP is signing him off then I usually just say that is a
matter between the GP and the DWP and refuse to get into it. What frustrates
me more is the certs for 6-9 months for stress when what they actually need
is carers leave! I know the GP is trying to be helpful in removing one of
their demands but to expect an employer to subsidise that is ludicrous!

2009/1/22 Glenn Raybone <[log in to unmask]>

>  Carr,
>
> I appreciate what you are saying, but from my experience in the NHS there
> can be a culture of having 'duvet days', and I suspect the very generous
> sick pay scheme aids this choice.
>
> My comments relate to the fact that a GP has, and continues to sign off a
> member of staff for what reason I am not sure. We have just learnt that
> evidence was sent to the GP 2 months ago to support a return to work (from
> the Consultant) and yet the employee remains off.
>
> Surely this needs to be challenged? If not then what is the reason for me
> getting out of bed myself tomorrow morning at 6am? It will be Friday (POETS
> day) after all!!
>
> regards
>
> Glenn
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