If there is a linguistic link here it would be rather poetic to "quench" a
sword in the etherial fluids (an old old concept) before doing divine
battle.
Bart
-----Original Message-----
From: Arch-Metals Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
David Lines
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: LDS scripture and "bathing" a sword
A transliteration of the Hebrew in Isaiah 34 (from the Interlinear
Bible) would be "drenched in the heavens". A lot of English translations
carry the idea of "satiated", or "drunk its fill". It'd be a big stretch
to get that to include quenching or any other kind of metal work, UNLESS
some of the old languages used words similar to "satisfy" to describe a
quenching process. After all, an Englishman might "quench" his thirst
with a beer, but that doesn't mean he's hardening his throat. But if he
heats his blade and "quenches" it, it's a whole other story. I'm going
to put this question to a friend who has studied ancient languages.
David
Bart Torbert wrote:
> This looks like a rehash of verbage in *Isaiah 34.*
> **
> *Bart*
> **
> **
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Arch-Metals Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Mackenzie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 05, 2009 2:18 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: LDS scripture and "bathing" a sword
>
> That was what I gathered..I was wondering if there was any greater
> significance than I was aware .my gut was right then.
>
> I appreciate your help. I was just trying to answer the
> question.At least I provided every one with a good laugh..
>
> J
>
> **D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD**
>
> Technical Specialist - Heat Treating Products
>
> **Houghton International, Inc.**
>
> Madison and Van Buren Aves.
>
> 484-467-0285 (cell)
>
> 610-666-4007 (office)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* Arch-Metals Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On
> Behalf Of *John Scott
> *Sent:* Monday, January 05, 2009 4:12 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* LDS scripture and "bathing" a sword
>
> Helloooo, are you and your correspondent serious? Or, it's not yet
> April 1....
>
> Scriptures on golden tablets were reportedly deposited in NE USA
> at unknown date by angels, then reportedly dug up by Joseph Smith
> mid-19c CE. Smith reportedly transcribed the scriptures before
> reportedly losing the tablets, which have to all knowledge never
> been recovered. The reported transcripts were indeed adopted as
> LDS scripture and carried west to Missouri and Utah.
>
> Your most charitable advice to your clients should be that after
> he identifies Smith's prior sources of religio-history he should
> get back to you with any phrases worthy of historical - technical
> study regarding actual production processes.
>
> On the other hand as a literary image I'd go for simple and
> direct: the sword must be raised on high -- bathed in heaven --
> before falling upon etc.
>
> ~ John
>
> John Scott
>
> In a message dated 1/5/2009 2:16:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> All:
>
> I recently received an email from someone who had read a paper
> I had written on "The History of Quenching".
>
> He was reading a passage in Church of the Latter Day Saints,
> Doctrine and Covenants Section 1, verse 13,
> http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1:
>
> "And the anger <http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/1/13a> of
> the Lord is kindled, and his sword
> <http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/dc/1/13b> is //bathed// in
> heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth."
>
> I would gather that this passage would be interpreted as
> immediately prior to the end of days when the righteous and
> wicked are separated.
>
> Is "bathing" a sword prior to battle holding it high to be
> bless; or is it coating the sword with some material like
> garlic to impart "special properties"; or is it something
> entirely different? Could it be implying the quenching process
> and hardening the blade?
>
> Is there any historical rituals used by either craftsmen or
> warriors prior to going in to battle?
>
> I appreciate the help.
>
> Scott
>
> **D. Scott MacKenzie, PhD**
>
> Technical Specialist - Heat Treating Products
>
> **Houghton International, Inc.**
>
> Madison and Van Buren Aves.
>
> 484-467-0285 (cell)
>
> 610-666-4007 (office)
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines
> <http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026>.
>
|