Ok Stephen, the problem is that although the State of Israel is
supported by US crooks Hamas too is run by crooks, one bunch of
wife-beaters against each other, I simply don't have an answer to it
all.
2009/1/4 Stephen Vincent <[log in to unmask]>:
> David, given the gift of David Lloyd's piece - instead of ignoring it as 'information overload' - it think it informed, well thought out, and worth responding to, controversial et al.
>
> Stephen V
> http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
> --- On Sat, 1/3/09, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: World Affairs, and the Moral High Ground
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 6:34 PM
>
> Alison
>
> any murder is very individual, as it only happens to the one person it
> occurs to. When I say I don't know what is going on in Palestine, it
> doesn't mean I haven't read Said, or I don't listen or read or
> watch
> the news, it means I don't think those maps of reality I receive are
> adequate.
>
> As far as I can tell the situation is that a very well-supported state
> is being attacked by gangsters posing as religious nationalists,
> neither party is creditable but innocent people are being killed on
> both sides, it's awful, I don't have an answer to it all, and
> particularly I don't want to pretend I do.
>
> the point of my post was that even in this little corner of the
> universe that I inhabit, I don't know what the fucks going on, we live
> an age of information overload, where the more we know means the less.
>
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
> 2009/1/4 Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]>:
>> There's a big difference between an individual crime, which is being
>> investigated and is tagged as "wrong" by the State, and a crime
> that
>> is committed by a State. Particularly, and this is crucial, a state
>> that calls itself a democracy.
>>
>> If you don't know much about the situation in Palestine, Dave,
> it's
>> easy enough to find out. You could start with reading some Said, who
>> was one of the wiser commentators on the situation. And an acute
>> literary critic as well, so you could feel all literary as well.
>>
>> I'm not a protest kind of gal. I've been to precisely one in my
> life -
>> the protests before the US invaded Baghdad. I knew when I went that
>> the protests wouldn't stop the invasion, which had been planned for
>> literally years (although I suspect it blunted the edge of the Shock
>> and Awe campaign - not that that helped later). I went because I
>> didn't want to be complicit with what I believed was a criminal
>> disaster with horrific implications for international law, that my
>> country was participating in, allegedly on "my" behalf.
> Everything I
>> feared came about, but only because it was so predictable.
>>
>> I'm going this afternoon, not because I think it will stop anything
>> that's going on as the tanks roll into Gaza, but because the barefaced
>> lies that are being printed about Gaza make me angry, and because my
>> politicians are shoving out the usual mealy-mouthed evasions.
>>
>> And yes, I think of Darfur and Somalia and the Congo and other
>> unfashionable conflicts, where atrocities take place every day without
>> rippling the surface. Or the more endemic economic crimes that enslave
>> people in "offshore" factories - like Amatil in Fiji, where
> they've
>> been shooting trade union leaders. Yes, injustice is everywhere. Yes,
>> I am a writer and not an activist. Etc. We all live with these
>> dilemmas. But I feel that while saying no might make very little
>> difference, not saying no is worse.
>>
>> It's not about high moral ground. It's about the kind of world you
>> want to live in.
>>
>> xA
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:51 AM, David Bircumshaw
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> Early on the other day, about 30 yards from where I live, a guy was
>>> stabbed to death:
>>>
>>>
> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Woman-arrested-murder-probe/article-583469-detail/article.html
>>>
>>> will give you news details. Apparently his suspected murderer was a
>>> woman. I didn't know who he was, or who is believed to have killed
>>> him, all I knew was that on the morning police tape was around the
>>> streets and the very road I live on was blocked off by police cars and
>>> there was a forensic tent set up. Tonight, complete strangers have
>>> been straggling around mutually sobbing about the site of the death,
>>> presumably they were friends of the deceased.
>>>
>>> But I know nothing, or next to nothing, about it, even though it
>>> happened almost on my doorstep. Likewise, I know next to nothing about
>>> what is going on in Gaza and Israel, I can see no point in
>>> pontificating. If I, or anyone, could think of something to help end
>>> that tragedy that would be great, but, to go back, the other night, a
>>> bloke was murdered, a few yards from my home, I was watching a
>>> schmaltzy film on tv, and didn't know, not that I would have been
>>> capable of doing anything much if I did, other than calling the
>>> emergency services.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Bircumshaw
>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com
>>
>
>
>
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> David Bircumshaw
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