Hi Karen,

I should add that 

> ex:A frbr:realization [ frbr:embodiment [ frbr:part ex:P ] ; ] .

was a very tentative attempt to express 

> # the 2 DVD (manifestation) (ex:P) is a part of the manifestation of the Ford
> at Fox Collection (ex:A) 

I.e. this is the most tentative part of all the RDF scenario versions
:)

I was going to leave it out, but then I thought I might as well
include it, as a placeholder for future discussion.

Generally I've tried to avoid blank nodes in the RDF scenario
version. This was the one exception. Blank nodes, also known as
anonymous nodes or anonymous resources, are a way of making statements
in an RDF graph about entities for which you have no URI. Using the
turtle rdf syntax, square brackets [...] are a convenient abbreviation
for blank nodes.

So 

> ex:A frbr:realization [ frbr:embodiment [ frbr:part ex:P ] ; ] .

could be read as

"ex:A (the ford at fox collection) has a realization that has an
embodiment that has a part that is ex:P (the 2 DVD set)"

or the other way around

"ex:P (the 2 DVD set) is a part of the embodiment of the realization
of ex:A (the ford at fox collection)"

Probably not worth focusing too much time on this point, it was very
tentative.

Cheers,

Alistair

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:18:24AM -0800, Karen Coyle wrote:
> Thanks, Mikael! Wow, pictures really are worth a good number of words.
> 
> So the segment of the scenario we are talking about reads:
> 
> # the 2 DVD (manifestation) is a part of the manifestation of the Ford
> at Fox Collection ... ?
> ex:A frbr:realization [ frbr:embodiment [ frbr:part ex:P ] ; ] .
> 
> This is a statement about a series -- that the manifestation belongs
> to a named series. I'm not sure this works, but I AM sure that the
> treatment of series is rather odd, both in AACR and RDA. I will create
> a simple scenario with a series that hopefully will make it easier to
> see these relationships. As I said, this scenario is waaaaay over my
> head.
> 
> kc
> 
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Mikael Nilsson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > mån 2008-12-01 klockan 19:50 -0800 skrev Karen Coyle:
> >>
> >>   ex:A frbr:realization [ frbr:embodiment [ frbr:part ex:P ] ; ] .
> >
> >
> > This means the three relations
> >
> > ex:A frbr:realization _:x
> >
> > _:x frbr:embodiment _:y
> >
> > _:y frbr:part ex:P
> >
> >
> > where _:x and _:y are resources that have not been given an identifier
> > (blank nodes in RDF terms). (the "_:" prefix is for "syntax-local"
> > identifiers that don't survive translation into, for example, RDF/XML)
> >
> >>
> >>  I think what confuses me is that I can't see where the particular
> >> embodiment is identified. (Oh, I would really love a picture of this
> >> whole thing!)
> >
> > I think the embodiment would be _:y
> >
> > See the attached image.
> >
> > /Mikael
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> kc
> > --
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> >
> > Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
> >
> 
> 
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