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Re: input please

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Rachel & Spike <[log in to unmask]>

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Hello, sorry I've only just managed to catch up with this thread.

'Do you need to have an understanding of what drawing is to be able to 
draw?'

I personally hate the dissectionists blunt tool tool of definition 
('art' 'drawing' etc) as much as the next artist. But i see this 
question as more of a challenge between rational/conscious aim and 
intuitive exploration.

With a definite nod to mass generalisation i'll try and clarify:

To illustrate an architectural view of a building's interior. One will 
need to know the socially sanctioned 'rules' of what that entails. 
Accuracy, perspective, proportion etc. The 'science' of method. These 
are the works in which we can easily see mistakes and point out flaws 
which are not quite 'right' because the rules restrict and condition value.

As has, so rightly, been stated previously, a child's intuitive response 
to drawing can equally be of sufficient value but lacks these socially 
sanctioned rules. The child's drawing is a response based upon their 
experience of the world and how it appears but their ranking of visual 
value is an inner... I don't want to say choice... action perhaps.

Alot of non 'artist' / 'drawers' pick up a pen when they're on the phone 
and 'doodle' are these drawings? Do they have an aim? Do they represent 
to some degree the inner workings of the mind/individual? Is hand 
writing drawing? (Within an even stricter socially sanctioned set of 
rules of course).

If we take the act of drawing to be a simple extension of bodily 
expression, like vocal tonation, hand gesture etc. Do we need to 
'understand' these things to use them or are they intuitive of human 
existence and psychological activity? The main hook you use is 
'intention' perhaps a child merely intends to use the things in front of 
him. Perhaps we intend to alleviate a feeling or we intend to make a 
drawing which merely looks accurate, or which covers all of the 
paper/page. Intention is a choice dependant upon valuation (what matters 
to us) but of course valuation is not just dependant upon intention, but 
also content, perhaps that which is leaked out irrespective of intention.

(2 pennyworth :) )

Spike Joyce.



Rachel Pearcey wrote:
> That wonderful definition of drawing sounds like the one given by a 
> child in a drawing conferencer’s class room some months (years) ago. 
> It is a great definition
>
> On 27/10/08 16:47, "lizzie chubb" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>     The definition used is along the lines of ' anything that makes a
>     mark on anyhing that takes a mark placed with intention' thus
>     making drawing a human or 'minded' process
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:54:48 +0000
>     From: [log in to unmask]
>     Subject: Re: input please
>     To: [log in to unmask]
>
>     Hard to answer the question Lizzie, without knowing what
>     definition of drawing your thesis comes to.
>
>
>
>     Damian Fennell ARBS
>     sculpture and drawing
>
>     http://www.artfennell.com
>
>
>
>     On 27 Oct 2008, at 15:29, lizzie chubb wrote:
>
>         You are correct in saying this and a definition will have been
>         established by this time in the essay to get to this question.
>         Therefore, assume that a definition of drawing has been
>         established, whatever it may be and consider the question.
>
>
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:11:21 +0000
>         From: [log in to unmask]
>         Subject: Re: input please
>         To: [log in to unmask]
>
>         To say that somebody is 'able to draw' you have to at least be
>         able to define what 'drawing' is, otherwise the statement is
>         meaningless.
>
>
>
>
>         On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:57 AM, lizzie chubb
>         <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>             Hi Everyone.
>
>             I am currently writing my dissertation on a drawing topic
>             and would be interested in your response to the following
>             query.
>
>             Do you need to have an undertanding of what drawing is to
>             be able to draw? Please give reasons for any answers.
>
>             I will be grateful for any responses and input.
>
>             Thanks in advance,
>
>             Lizzie Chubb
>
>             Student at Loughborough University.
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